From: P729 (p729@cox.net)
Date: Sun Oct 20 2002 - 15:14:45 GMT-3
"Make sure your wording of the question distinguishes you as knowing the
technology but are struggling with the ambiguity of the questions."
This is probably the most articulate way I've seen this very important point
expressed. Very important.
Congratulations. A job very well done!
Regards,
Mas Kato, CCIE #7772
https://ecardfile.com/id/mkato
----- Original Message -----
From: <bobdu11@cox.net>
To: "Anthony Pace" <anthonypace@fastmail.fm>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 4:49 AM
Subject: Re: #10349 passed on 5th try in SJ (LONG)
You hit the nail on the head dude ! Congrats....
Bob #9105
>
> From: "Anthony Pace" <anthonypace@fastmail.fm>
> Date: 2002/10/19 Sat PM 02:55:38 EDT
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: #10349 passed on 5th try in SJ (LONG)
>
> I passed about 3 weeks ago on my fifth attempt and am hoping that my post
> will help to encourage others who are struggling with the same things
> that prevented me from passing on attempts 1 thru 4. I have seen a few
> posts from some people going through some of the same feelings I had this
> summer after failing on multiple attempts. If you are not in this camp
> this post may be long and boring.
>
> I read the same books as everyone else. Doyle, Halabi, and Caslow, cover
> to cover. The Clark Hamilton book was a great one that I don't always see
> mentioned. I started with the Roosevelt Giles book and I felt it was not
> very helpful. If you are doing purely self-study I liked the "ALL IN ONE
> LAB" for isolated labs. It lets you take "baby steps" for things you have
> never touched and is good on days where you don't have a big block of
> time. I know allot of people don't like it, but I found it helpful.
>
> I will be forty in February and my first computer job was in 1979. I've
> worked with allot of CISCO gear and I began the CCIE effort in 1997. It
> took me five attempts and what follows is what I feel helped and hindered
> me along the way.
>
> Things that helped me:
>
> - UNLIMITED LAB ACCESS: I COULD NOT HAVE ACCOMPLISHED THE CCIE IF I HAD
> TO PAY BY THE HOUR. The "meat and potatoes" of my studies occurred at
> ICTP, a school in Anaheim California. Theirs is the largest and most
> complete state of the art lab I have ever used and I had pretty much
> unlimited access. I would recommend ICTP to anyone who desires to get a
> lot of hands on practical experience with a lot of carrier class
> hardware.
>
> - BOOTCAMP: For me the CCIE had issues that needed to be addressed. Some
> are technical and some are psychological. I attended CyscoExperts
> bootcamp in Lincolnwood Illinois. I would recommend this school to anyone
> looking for that "extra push over the edge", with respect to the CCIE lab
> exam.
>
> - I drew the picture for each section and always used the same color
> schemes. I also took over an hour to make the map on my first attempt. By
> the fifth attempt I could draw the map in less than 10 minutes. Allot of
> people said the maps which are provided are adequate. I had to draw my
> own.
>
> - I used ping scripts. I also found that the best way was to run them one
> at a time and watch them ping. DO NOT try to be slick and run multiple
> windows, or paste the results into a text editor and search on the !!!!
> or ....I found that if most of the pings are going to work then you can
> go with a line speed of 2000ms. If 2000ms craps out, you have issues and
> need to stop the script anyway.
>
> - I became intimate with the DOC CD. This can't be stressed enough. On my
> first attempt I had not even looked at it. There is allot of stuff on it
> and if you know where it is you can avoid allot of stress over your
> ability to do raw memorization.
>
> - Don't look up anything on the first pass through. On my failed attempts
> I always "took the bait" and began researching some little detail and
> usually got it, but usually at the cost of to much valuable time. Once
> you have gotten to the end of the test you are in a much better position
> to "budget your time" with respect to the little "bells and whistles".
>
> - ONE WINDOW: This took some getting used. On my failed attempts I had
> multiple windows arranged on my screen like they were on the diagram.
> This can be helpful in real life when your troubleshooting, but once I
> got used to the one window method I really picked up speed!
>
> - ASK THE PROCTOR NON-TECHNICAL QUESTIONS ONLY: I bet I went up there 20
> times the day I passed. The question has to be worded correctly though.
> Make sure your wording of the question distinguishes you as knowing the
> technology but are struggling with the ambiguity of the questions. I
> think it also helps to suggest multiple solutions that come to mind. If
> they think your asking how to do something they will shut you down hard,
> and tell you to reread the question.
>
> - HARDWARE PROBLEMS IN THE LAB ARE A REAL POSSIBILITY: If you pay
> attention to the proctors instructions at the beginning they "WARN" you
> about it. You cannot afford to spend 90 minutes troubleshooting
> connectivity issues. I personally could not even think about anything
> else on my last attempt until I verified that I could hit the things
> "outside my control". After that I knew I only had myself and the clock
> to beat.
>
> I USED ALIASES: You have to prune them though. If an alias really does
> not help, then dump it. To many aliases can slow down the routers and a
> proctor once said a guy's routers kept crashing because he had over 100
> aliases.
>
> What hindered me the most was my poor time management and getting caught
> up in allot of little details. I became involved in the threads on the
> list about Custom Queuing and FRTS and it's semantics. I read entirely
> too much into the questions on the test. I took 45 minutes to draw a
> really great drawing while failing the test. I constantly was
> intermittently checking connectivity and was always doing "show runs" to
> double, triple and quadruple check things. Getting these tendencies under
> control was the biggest challenge for me.
>
> I hope some of these things are helpful to someone somewhere.
>
> Anthony Pace CCIE#10349
>
>
>
>
>
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