From: Roberts, Larry (Larry.Roberts@expanets.com)
Date: Fri Sep 20 2002 - 02:14:34 GMT-3
Hey,
I work for Expanets and I answer questions...! I support the Internal
network but I know several of our Customer facing engineers and I can say
great things about them.
If you are having problems, contact me off line and I can put you in touch
with someone who can answer most questions you have, or at least get you in
touch with someone who can.
Thanks
Larry
-----Original Message-----
From: certstudy [mailto:certstudy@snet.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 8:40 PM
To: rich; albert_lu@optushome.com.au; 'Meyer, J. (Johan)'; 'Tim Ross';
ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: MS-CCIE
you guys think Cisco actually makes a profit from any of the fees it charges
for any of the certs. do some math. there are probably a few dozen people
employed by the ccie program--half of them ccie level people. then there is
equipment (pc's, racks, cabling). whatever cisco charges them for their
space on cco, their rent, etc. etc.
at one time i thought that they were making money off the fees but do the
math. anyway, the real profits from the certifications are by having a well
trained and prepared support infrastructure.
anybody try to get a question answered by linksys or d-link lately. too
small? how about avaya, expanets or lucent??
----- Original Message -----
From: "rich" <rich@pixguru.com>
To: <albert_lu@optushome.com.au>; "'Meyer, J. (Johan)'"
<JohanMe@nedcor.com>; "'Tim Ross'" <ross2k@pclv.com>;
<ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: MS-CCIE
> Have you seen their lab? The one in San Jose doubles as a storage
closet..
> It's well organized, but NOT data center like at all..
>
> 10 people a day at San Jose
> That's $12,500 a day. Not bad for one proctor and their own assets.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Albert Lu" <albert_lu@optushome.com.au>
> To: "'Meyer, J. (Johan)'" <JohanMe@nedcor.com>; "'Tim Ross'"
> <ross2k@pclv.com>; "'rich'" <rich@pixguru.com>;
> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 4:14 AM
> Subject: RE: MS-CCIE
>
>
> > Actually from what I was told by a proctor, cisco doesn't really
> > make
that
> > much money from CCIE lab exams. Since they have to pretty much have
> > a
mini
> > 24x7 data centre for the lab with raised floors, ups, air
> > conditioning, power, rent, also salaries for proctors, plus not all
> > labs are always
> booked
> > out. I've always thought that cisco would be making a killing with
> > the
lab
> > exams, but having worked in a datacentre in my past life I could
> > imagine
> how
> > all those costs could really add up.
> >
> > Albert Lu
> > CCIE #8705
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf
> > Of Meyer, J. (Johan)
> > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 5:18 PM
> > To: 'Tim Ross'; rich; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: MS-CCIE
> >
> >
> > Lets look at the BIG Picture!!
> >
> > Cisco is a Successful aggresive Bussiness so I dont think they will
limit
> > this certification.
> > It brings in a span of money!
> > That is why it was changed from a 2 day to a 1 day LAB as before
> > when
they
> > could schedule
> > max 2 labs a week they can now have 6 .Thats 3 times the revenue
> > than before!! What succesful Bussiness man would turn that down!!
> >
> >
> > Johan
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tim Ross [mailto:ross2k@pclv.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 8:40 AM
> > To: rich; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: MS-CCIE
> >
> >
> > I'm not sure I get the point either. In your post you said you have
> > experience, and got in the business for the money, yet you did not
become
> a
> > CCIE when you could make a lot of money by being a CCIE. Now that
> > the
job
> > market is not so good for CCIE's you want to become a CCIE. Also,
please
> do
> > not start limiting the number of CCIEs per country until after I
> > pass. Thanks.
> >
> > Happy studying,
> > Tim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "rich" <rich@pixguru.com>
> > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 6:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: MS-CCIE
> >
> >
> > > Could you possibly miss the point any more?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Tom Larus" <tlarus@cox.net>
> > > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 6:54 AM
> > > Subject: MS-CCIE
> > >
> > >
> > > > If the CCIE is not worth much these days, and you are in it
primarily
> > for
> > > > the
> > > > money, and you already have a good job, and respect, and know so
much
> > more
> > > > than those "lab rat" CCIEs, just stop pursuing the CCIE.
> > > >
> > > > You don't need it.
> > > >
> > > > You should stand pat on your experience and be comfortable in
knowing
> > that
> > > > years of experience will always trump demonstrated intelligence.
> > > >
> > > > Tom Larus, CCIE #10,014
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "rich" <rich@pixguru.com>
> > > > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 9:04 PM
> > > > Subject: MS-CCIE
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > A couple of years ago, at the height of the dot com era, a
> > > > > CCIE in
> my
> > > area
> > > > > could easily pull in 150k. Did I start down this road for the
> money?
> > > > Hell
> > > > > yes. I already had field experience, a good job, seniority,
> respect,
> > > and
> > > > all
> > > > > that stuff that makes work fun. Besides, CCIE would be a
challenge.
> > > But
> > > > a
> > > > > LOT has changed in the past couple of years. Bad economy.
> > > > > Fewer
> > jobs.
> > > > > Lowered salaries. And apparently a butt load of CCIE's! I
> > > > > mean
> wow!
> > > And
> > > > to
> > > > > hear that many of them are just lab ccie's really brings the
> > > > > 8000+
> > > CCIE's
> > > > into
> > > > > a different light. It brings my own efforts into the same
> > > > > light.
> It
> > > > reminds
> > > > > me of what happened to Novell certifications... I had just
> > > > > gotten
my
> > CNE
> > > > when
> > > > > I heard the term 'paper CNE' about a guy at the same company
> > > > > who
> > carried
> > > > cue
> > > > > cards around to customers with commands written on them.
> > > > >
> > > > > I haven't gotten my ccie yet but I'm hoping to. My chances
> > > > > would
> > > probably
> > > > be
> > > > > greatly enhanced by going to a boot-camp, but I feel that
> > > > > would
just
> > add
> > > > to
> > > > > the problem. Maybe limiting the number of active CCIE's in a
> country
> > > > would
> > > > > keep the certification from getting too bloated. Or maybe
> > > > > just
stop
> > the
> > > > > certification process now or at a fixed number. Or better
> > > > > yet,
> allow
> > no
> > > > more
> > > > > than 1000 a year (total) to be certified. Candidate selection
> process
> > > > could
> > > > > be a weighted drawing (increased chances every year).
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not trying to criticize anyone's efforts, but rather
> > > > > express
the
> > > > results
> > > > > of those efforts. It's kind of liking moving into a new,
> > > > > quiet,
> > > expensive
> > > > > neighborhood. It's great until everyone else moves in, and
suddenly
> > > that
> > > > > expensive house isn't worth what you paid for it.
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