From: Tim Ross (ross2k@pclv.com)
Date: Thu Sep 19 2002 - 03:40:07 GMT-3
I'm not sure I get the point either. In your post you said you have
experience, and got in the business for the money, yet you did not become a
CCIE when you could make a lot of money by being a CCIE. Now that the job
market is not so good for CCIE's you want to become a CCIE. Also, please do
not start limiting the number of CCIEs per country until after I pass.
Thanks.
Happy studying,
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "rich" <rich@pixguru.com>
To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: MS-CCIE
> Could you possibly miss the point any more?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Larus" <tlarus@cox.net>
> To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 6:54 AM
> Subject: MS-CCIE
>
>
> > If the CCIE is not worth much these days, and you are in it primarily
for
> > the
> > money, and you already have a good job, and respect, and know so much
more
> > than those "lab rat" CCIEs, just stop pursuing the CCIE.
> >
> > You don't need it.
> >
> > You should stand pat on your experience and be comfortable in knowing
that
> > years of experience will always trump demonstrated intelligence.
> >
> > Tom Larus, CCIE #10,014
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "rich" <rich@pixguru.com>
> > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 9:04 PM
> > Subject: MS-CCIE
> >
> >
> > > A couple of years ago, at the height of the dot com era, a CCIE in my
> area
> > > could easily pull in 150k. Did I start down this road for the money?
> > Hell
> > > yes. I already had field experience, a good job, seniority, respect,
> and
> > all
> > > that stuff that makes work fun. Besides, CCIE would be a challenge.
> But
> > a
> > > LOT has changed in the past couple of years. Bad economy. Fewer
jobs.
> > > Lowered salaries. And apparently a butt load of CCIE's! I mean wow!
> And
> > to
> > > hear that many of them are just lab ccie's really brings the 8000+
> CCIE's
> > into
> > > a different light. It brings my own efforts into the same light. It
> > reminds
> > > me of what happened to Novell certifications... I had just gotten my
CNE
> > when
> > > I heard the term 'paper CNE' about a guy at the same company who
carried
> > cue
> > > cards around to customers with commands written on them.
> > >
> > > I haven't gotten my ccie yet but I'm hoping to. My chances would
> probably
> > be
> > > greatly enhanced by going to a boot-camp, but I feel that would just
add
> > to
> > > the problem. Maybe limiting the number of active CCIE's in a country
> > would
> > > keep the certification from getting too bloated. Or maybe just stop
the
> > > certification process now or at a fixed number. Or better yet, allow
no
> > more
> > > than 1000 a year (total) to be certified. Candidate selection process
> > could
> > > be a weighted drawing (increased chances every year).
> > >
> > > I'm not trying to criticize anyone's efforts, but rather express the
> > results
> > > of those efforts. It's kind of liking moving into a new, quiet,
> expensive
> > > neighborhood. It's great until everyone else moves in, and suddenly
> that
> > > expensive house isn't worth what you paid for it.
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