From: rich (rich@pixguru.com)
Date: Wed Sep 18 2002 - 09:13:56 GMT-3
January 16th, 2002 CCIE#8461
September 13th, 2002 CCIE#10190
That's 194 CCIE's per month or 2,323 per year
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Church" <cchurch@MAGNACOM.com>
To: "'rich'" <rich@pixguru.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 7:36 PM
Subject: RE: MS-CCIE
> Rich,
>
> In the last 2 years, we've added maybe 2000 CCIEs. 8000 worldwide
> isn't really that many. I think the economy is the main cause. Look at
the
> tech-heavy NASDAQ:
> http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=^IXIC&d=c&t=2y&l=on&z=b&q=l
>
> Once that gets back to where it used to be, the jobs will return. In the
> mean time, those with the best looking resumes will get the best jobs.
> Employers are picky these days. They want experience. 'Lab rats' will
end
> up in help-desk jobs. Good luck on your pursuit of the CCIE. It's still
> #1!
>
> Chuck Church
> CCIE #8776, MCNE, MCSE
> Sr. Network Engineer
> Magnacom Technologies
> 140 N. Rt. 303
> Valley Cottage, NY 10989
> 845-267-4000
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> rich
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 9:04 PM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: MS-CCIE
>
>
> A couple of years ago, at the height of the dot com era, a CCIE in my area
> could easily pull in 150k. Did I start down this road for the money?
Hell
> yes. I already had field experience, a good job, seniority, respect, and
> all
> that stuff that makes work fun. Besides, CCIE would be a challenge. But
a
> LOT has changed in the past couple of years. Bad economy. Fewer jobs.
> Lowered salaries. And apparently a butt load of CCIE's! I mean wow! And
> to
> hear that many of them are just lab ccie's really brings the 8000+ CCIE's
> into
> a different light. It brings my own efforts into the same light. It
> reminds
> me of what happened to Novell certifications... I had just gotten my CNE
> when
> I heard the term 'paper CNE' about a guy at the same company who carried
cue
> cards around to customers with commands written on them.
>
> I haven't gotten my ccie yet but I'm hoping to. My chances would probably
> be
> greatly enhanced by going to a boot-camp, but I feel that would just add
to
> the problem. Maybe limiting the number of active CCIE's in a country
would
> keep the certification from getting too bloated. Or maybe just stop the
> certification process now or at a fixed number. Or better yet, allow no
> more
> than 1000 a year (total) to be certified. Candidate selection process
could
> be a weighted drawing (increased chances every year).
>
> I'm not trying to criticize anyone's efforts, but rather express the
results
> of those efforts. It's kind of liking moving into a new, quiet, expensive
> neighborhood. It's great until everyone else moves in, and suddenly that
> expensive house isn't worth what you paid for it.
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