From: kris.keen@xxxxxxxxxx
Date: Thu Aug 15 2002 - 02:52:09 GMT-3
All,
I'll second Todd's notes there, but also agree with tony. These agencies
are out for the numbers, nothing more. I get countless calls from agencies
saying they have some wonderful chances coming up in what is at the moment,
a very bad down turn in the industry! Give us your details, and we'll get
in contact with the people. I went to an interview with a large australian
agency to be informed 2 days later, the company didnt want to hire anyone..
Sure, you can accept something like that if it happens once, but twice? Ok,
so now we have met with you, know what you can do, how much your looking at
and our database is now just that little bit more full, we can inform you
we have no jobs!
To my surprise, I got a call whilst on holidays in the snow, to be greeted
by a fantastic young lady who had the opportunity to die for in this
industry! And low and behold I got the job! Fairly stoked!
If the agencies want you, they will come to you. Most times, its just for
the numbers...Never lose the ring of contacts and friends in the industry,
they are invaluable!
Everything always gets better, so don't be phased by the downturn, heads
up, keep studying and things will improve!
Cheers!
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Aon Risk Services Australia Limited
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Tony Huang
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Please respond to
Tony Huang
Hi, All,
My opinion on this is that I would prefer to spend more time on improving
skills needed for work and technology trend. A CCIE without much experience
or skills can not get a good pay in the economic downturn, while the
required skills if with CCIE number will always worth more at any time. A
recruiter that just knows how to compare resumes and requirements can never
get us a good job.
I have never been so depressed and could not make study going well, but I
am
just trying to work harder at work and to improve the skills required by
the
company. Anyway I won't give up CCIE study until I succeed. It is an
never-give-up attitude but not much to do with CCIE. I wish everybody here
good luck.
Tony
-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Carswell [mailto:acarswell@nc.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, 15 August 2002 4:02 AM
To: Scott Hoover
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: OT: Current salaries and recruiters w/attitudes
Scott,
I was laid off last fall and spent 8 months out of work. I found my
current job through my network of friends and associates. The bottom
line with recruiters is that companies are telling them to take a hike.
It is so much easier (and cheaper) to let your current workforce bring
in the resumes, especially since there are a LOT of unemployed people
out there. Because of this, recruiters are trying to get the workers to
take HUGE pay cuts so they (the recruiters) can get a leg up on the
competition (word of mouth advertising). Think about it... An employer
would be crazy to turn down a CCIE for 60K, even if they have to pay a
$20K fee.
The bottom line is that recruiters are competing with your personal
network of friends and colleagues to find you a job. If they can get
you to drop your bottom line way below market value, then they get
noticed by the hiring managers.
After dealing with recruiters for 4 months, I started telling them to
take a hike. Every time I heard the schpiel, "I have lots of excellent
opportunities in your field..." followed by a request to fill out a long
form, I told them to get bent! As soon as you say, "Hey, there ya
freakin' bunghole. Give me more info on the jobs and I'll fill out your
form!" they quickly go away. The truth is that they don't have any job
information to speak of . They're just trying to get your info in their
database so that they'll have lots of prospects when the economy turns
around. It's a numbers game and the recruiters are losing it right now.
If there are any recruiters out there, please don't take it personal.
If I'm wrong, I will gladly pop my serving of crow into the microwave
and eat it while I watch television tonight.
HTH.
Todd Carswell
Scott Hoover wrote:
>I just had a recruiter tell me that as a CCIE (with a
>little over 3 years of experience), I should be happy
>to take a
>job for $60k in the Dallas area. Now I know things
>aren't great right now,
>but this seems a little extreme. Has it really come
>to cutting our salaries in half and putting up with
>serious attitudes from recruiters? She basically
>chewed me out because I was
>"not serious" about my job search. I found her
>attitude extremely
>unprofessional and I am honestly shocked at her
>demeanor. Just to make sure I'm not way off base
>here, can anybody tell
>me if this is really where things are right now, or
>was this just a bad
>apple?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Scott
>CCIE #9340
>
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