From: Troy Rader (troy@xxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Thu Aug 08 2002 - 23:13:40 GMT-3
People at RTP have told me that they monitor this list (see a previous
thread for the definition of RTP). Melody Green told me on the phone once
that a guy posted ccie written questions here, and they flagged him in the
system. He lived about 20 minutes from Cisco in rtp, so they knew he would
go there for the exam. They were going to confront him when he showed up.
I would have loved to have seen that. They also prosecute people for
violations, and when I last tested, the proctor stated that they had engaged
the FBI in pursuit of some individuals in regard to the CCIE tests. I am
personally happy that they take this so seriously. Perhaps I am a fool for
believing foolish stories, but I do believe these accounts are true.
Troy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jake" <jakeczyz@yahoo.com>
To: "Brian Dennis" <brian@5g.net>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 8:28 PM
Subject: RE: OT: NDA - My response to the problem
> Folks with numbers,
> Enough has probably been said about the NDA, but I wanted to
matter-of-factly state
> what I personally am doing when I see a post which is identical to a
question I had on my
> exam (as may or may not have happened very recently ;). I'm simply
forwarding that
> message to "ccie@cisco.com" with the following note:
> -----------------
> CCIE Program Administrators,
> Sorry to bother, but I am forwarding an email which looks like an
NDA violation.
> Please handle as you see fit or disregard. I'm just concerned about the
program's
> integrity.
>
> Thank you,
> ----------------
>
> If you like, you can do the same. Since I only took it once, I haven't
seen many
> questions. Maybe they'll find repeat offenders and track these dishonest
people down; I
> certainly hope they would for what is riding on this cert for everyone. I
hope none of us
> would answer one of these questions, especially ones that can be looked up
at the brain
> dump of all brain dumps - CCO (if you ask me what that is, I will shoot
you). ;)
>
> [Please (please!) respond off-line if you have a personal issue with my
(or any) post.
> We've filled the list up with enough junk these last few days to last a
lifetime.] Excuse
> me for my contribution to the heap.
>
> IMHO,
> Jake
> 9102
>
>
>
>
> --- Brian Dennis <brian@5g.net> wrote:
> > It's sad but true about the NDA violations on this list. The number of
> > NDA violations is definitely growing. In a way this list is actually
> > hurting the CCIE program because of the small number of people that post
> > questions that are clear violations of the NDA.
> >
> > Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S/ISP Dial)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > steven.j.nelson@bt.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 10:52 AM
> > To: Mark.Snow@newcome.com; Jeffbk@austin.rr.com;
> > omarmasood360@hotmail.com; ccieexam2002@yahoo.com; PImmo@CTITELE.COM;
> > ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: OT: RE: Dark rivers of the heart?
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > Agreed, but I see more NDA's on this list daily than from any other
> > sources
> > online. I have taken the a couple of times and it seems almost every day
> > there is a question posted with the exact same wording that was on one
> > my
> > labs...
> >
> > There seems to be more cheaters lurking and posting to this list than
> > just
> > this guy.
> >
> > Just an observation.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Snow, Mark [mailto:Mark.Snow@newcome.com]
> > Sent: 07 August 2002 17:59
> > To: 'Jeff K'; Omar Masood; CCIE FUN; Immo, Paul; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: OT: RE: Dark rivers of the heart?
> >
> >
> > I don't think this guy should ever get the cert if this is his attitude
> > towards cheaters.
> > This cert is one of the highest in regards partially because of the
> > small
> > elite community that makes it up, and their willingness to work together
> > as
> > a team and help each other. We (not I yet) want to keep it small, so
> > that
> > junk like this is always excluded from such community.
> >
> > my 2 cents
> >
> > Snow
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jeff K [mailto:Jeffbk@austin.rr.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 12:38 PM
> > To: Omar Masood; CCIE FUN; Immo, Paul; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: OT: RE: Dark rivers of the heart?
> >
> >
> > That is an interesting answer. So, you will question the value of the
> > CCIE
> > because of stuff like that, but will say you don't have the obligation
> > to
> > notify Cisco of something as major as someone having 4 copies of the lab
> > manual because you technically aren't certified yet? No offense, but I
> > don't think you have much room to talk about the value of the program...
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Omar Masood" <omarmasood360@hotmail.com>
> > To: "Jeff K" <Jeffbk@austin.rr.com>; "CCIE FUN"
> > <ccieexam2002@yahoo.com>;
> > "Immo, Paul" <PImmo@CTITELE.COM>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 1999 12:31 PM
> > Subject: Re: OT: RE: Dark rivers of the heart?
> >
> >
> > > thank you for defining the truth, I not certified yet, so I don't
> > think
> > the
> > > non-disclosures concerns me yet.
> > > **Omar Masood 360**
> > >
> > > e/m: omarmasood360@hotmail.com
> > > or: omarmasood@aol.com
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jeff K" <Jeffbk@austin.rr.com>
> > > To: <omarmasood360@hotmail.com>; "CCIE FUN" <ccieexam2002@yahoo.com>;
> > "Immo,
> > > Paul" <PImmo@CTITELE.COM>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 4:24 PM
> > > Subject: Re: OT: RE: Dark rivers of the heart?
> > >
> > >
> > > > As this is somewhat of a religious arguement, I try to avoid even
> > getting
> > > > involved... But, come on, do you expect everyone to stop pursuing
> > their
> > > > CCIE because you got your number? As far as number of
> > certifications
> > go,
> > > I
> > > > got my number (8007) August 14, 2001. Rick got his number (9482) on
> > June
> > > > 11, 2002. So, over an approximate 10 month period, that is about
> > 150
> > > > certifications / month. I'm not saying that is a linear trend (I
> > know
> > > there
> > > > are variables here like 9/11 and the two-day to one-day change) -- I
> > have
> > > no
> > > > desire to look at the data that much. Anyway, Cisco contends that
> > the
> > > CCIE
> > > > is a way to identify people with a certain level of expertise with
> > their
> > > > hardware / software and various networking concepts. They don't
> > promise
> > > it
> > > > to be the solution to all your problems, nor do they promise you the
> > > > greatest jobs making the most money. True, some people get the CCIE
> > who
> > > > really shouldn't. This happens in every area. Don't try to say
> > that
> > > > everyone with a college degree is an expert in their field. And,
> > there
> > > are
> > > > people out there willing to cheat to ge the cert. Once again, this
> > is
> > not
> > > a
> > > > problem unique to the CCIE. It is up to us to make the decision to
> > do
> > it
> > > > the right way and to notify the program when we find out about this
> > stuff.
> > > > It is really in our hands to keep the value of the CCIE high. BTW,
> > did
> > > you
> > > > report the guy who had 4 versions of the RS lab booklet? You are
> > pretty
> > > > much obligated to do so...
> > > >
> > > > One last thing, once we hit 5-digits, that still means there are
> > about
> > > 9000
> > > > CCIE numbers that have been issued worldwide. Subtract those who
> > aren't
> > > > current, not working in the field, etc. and it's a much smaller
> > number --
> > > > still a pretty elite group, I'd say.
> > > >
> > > > Good luck to all those still pursuing their CCIE,
> > > >
> > > > -Jeff., CCIE 8007
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <omarmasood360@hotmail.com>
> > > > To: "CCIE FUN" <ccieexam2002@yahoo.com>; "Immo, Paul"
> > <PImmo@CTITELE.COM>;
> > > > <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 1999 11:33 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: OT: RE: Dark rivers of the heart?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I don't make the figures, Cisco do, do you really think they tell
> > the
> > > > public
> > > > > everything? All comes out int the annual reports only. See for ur
> > self.
> > > > > Cisco along with Microsoft,Oracle and Juniper are companies that
> > > > specialise
> > > > > in 'generalisation personalisation'. Look around, I have heard
> > from a
> > > very
> > > > > reliable source that he had 4 different variations of RS lab
> > booklet
> > for
> > > > the
> > > > > lab - before he sat the exam - he passed with a very high score.
> > Look
> > up
> > > > > what a public must do to stay public. business is business, right?
> > > > >
> > > > > **Omar Masood 360**
> > > > >
> > > > > e/m: omarmasood360@hotmail.com
> > > > > or: omarmasood@aol.com
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > Wrom: OKSTTZRCLBDXRQBGJSNBOHMKHJYFMYXOEAI
> > > > > To: "Immo, Paul" <PImmo@CTITELE.COM>; "'Omar Masood'"
> > > > > <omarmasood360@hotmail.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 3:22 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: OT: RE: Dark rivers of the heart?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Interesting ......
> > > > > > but i don't think that is a valid figure
> > > > > > --- "Immo, Paul" <PImmo@CTITELE.COM> wrote:
> > > > > > > Where are you getting your figures?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Paul M. Immo CCDP, CCNP, MCSE
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > CTI Telecom
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sr. Solution Engineer
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tel: 703-834-1538
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cell: 703-930-5724
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > Wrom: JJPHSCRTNHGSWZIDREXCAXZOWCONEUQZAAFXISHJEXXIMQ
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 1999 10:29 AM
> > > > > > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > > > > Subject: Dark rivers of the heart?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > With now a reported 100 CCIEs being certified every
> > > > > > > 10 days...is it still
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > same certification Cisco have us believe? Think
> > > > > > > about it, 100 IEs in such a
> > > > > > > short period of time.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
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