From: Brian Dennis (brian@xxxxxx)
Date: Wed Aug 07 2002 - 18:20:07 GMT-3
It's sad but true about the NDA violations on this list. The number of
NDA violations is definitely growing. In a way this list is actually
hurting the CCIE program because of the small number of people that post
questions that are clear violations of the NDA.
Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S/ISP Dial)
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
steven.j.nelson@bt.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 10:52 AM
To: Mark.Snow@newcome.com; Jeffbk@austin.rr.com;
omarmasood360@hotmail.com; ccieexam2002@yahoo.com; PImmo@CTITELE.COM;
ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: OT: RE: Dark rivers of the heart?
Mark
Agreed, but I see more NDA's on this list daily than from any other
sources
online. I have taken the a couple of times and it seems almost every day
there is a question posted with the exact same wording that was on one
my
labs...
There seems to be more cheaters lurking and posting to this list than
just
this guy.
Just an observation.
Thanks
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Snow, Mark [mailto:Mark.Snow@newcome.com]
Sent: 07 August 2002 17:59
To: 'Jeff K'; Omar Masood; CCIE FUN; Immo, Paul; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: OT: RE: Dark rivers of the heart?
I don't think this guy should ever get the cert if this is his attitude
towards cheaters.
This cert is one of the highest in regards partially because of the
small
elite community that makes it up, and their willingness to work together
as
a team and help each other. We (not I yet) want to keep it small, so
that
junk like this is always excluded from such community.
my 2 cents
Snow
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff K [mailto:Jeffbk@austin.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 12:38 PM
To: Omar Masood; CCIE FUN; Immo, Paul; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: OT: RE: Dark rivers of the heart?
That is an interesting answer. So, you will question the value of the
CCIE
because of stuff like that, but will say you don't have the obligation
to
notify Cisco of something as major as someone having 4 copies of the lab
manual because you technically aren't certified yet? No offense, but I
don't think you have much room to talk about the value of the program...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Omar Masood" <omarmasood360@hotmail.com>
To: "Jeff K" <Jeffbk@austin.rr.com>; "CCIE FUN"
<ccieexam2002@yahoo.com>;
"Immo, Paul" <PImmo@CTITELE.COM>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 1999 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: OT: RE: Dark rivers of the heart?
> thank you for defining the truth, I not certified yet, so I don't
think
the
> non-disclosures concerns me yet.
> **Omar Masood 360**
>
> e/m: omarmasood360@hotmail.com
> or: omarmasood@aol.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff K" <Jeffbk@austin.rr.com>
> To: <omarmasood360@hotmail.com>; "CCIE FUN" <ccieexam2002@yahoo.com>;
"Immo,
> Paul" <PImmo@CTITELE.COM>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 4:24 PM
> Subject: Re: OT: RE: Dark rivers of the heart?
>
>
> > As this is somewhat of a religious arguement, I try to avoid even
getting
> > involved... But, come on, do you expect everyone to stop pursuing
their
> > CCIE because you got your number? As far as number of
certifications
go,
> I
> > got my number (8007) August 14, 2001. Rick got his number (9482) on
June
> > 11, 2002. So, over an approximate 10 month period, that is about
150
> > certifications / month. I'm not saying that is a linear trend (I
know
> there
> > are variables here like 9/11 and the two-day to one-day change) -- I
have
> no
> > desire to look at the data that much. Anyway, Cisco contends that
the
> CCIE
> > is a way to identify people with a certain level of expertise with
their
> > hardware / software and various networking concepts. They don't
promise
> it
> > to be the solution to all your problems, nor do they promise you the
> > greatest jobs making the most money. True, some people get the CCIE
who
> > really shouldn't. This happens in every area. Don't try to say
that
> > everyone with a college degree is an expert in their field. And,
there
> are
> > people out there willing to cheat to ge the cert. Once again, this
is
not
> a
> > problem unique to the CCIE. It is up to us to make the decision to
do
it
> > the right way and to notify the program when we find out about this
stuff.
> > It is really in our hands to keep the value of the CCIE high. BTW,
did
> you
> > report the guy who had 4 versions of the RS lab booklet? You are
pretty
> > much obligated to do so...
> >
> > One last thing, once we hit 5-digits, that still means there are
about
> 9000
> > CCIE numbers that have been issued worldwide. Subtract those who
aren't
> > current, not working in the field, etc. and it's a much smaller
number --
> > still a pretty elite group, I'd say.
> >
> > Good luck to all those still pursuing their CCIE,
> >
> > -Jeff., CCIE 8007
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <omarmasood360@hotmail.com>
> > To: "CCIE FUN" <ccieexam2002@yahoo.com>; "Immo, Paul"
<PImmo@CTITELE.COM>;
> > <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 1999 11:33 AM
> > Subject: Re: OT: RE: Dark rivers of the heart?
> >
> >
> > > I don't make the figures, Cisco do, do you really think they tell
the
> > public
> > > everything? All comes out int the annual reports only. See for ur
self.
> > > Cisco along with Microsoft,Oracle and Juniper are companies that
> > specialise
> > > in 'generalisation personalisation'. Look around, I have heard
from a
> very
> > > reliable source that he had 4 different variations of RS lab
booklet
for
> > the
> > > lab - before he sat the exam - he passed with a very high score.
Look
up
> > > what a public must do to stay public. business is business, right?
> > >
> > > **Omar Masood 360**
> > >
> > > e/m: omarmasood360@hotmail.com
> > > or: omarmasood@aol.com
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > Wrom: OKSTTZRCLBDXRQBGJSNBOHMKHJYFMYXOEAI
> > > To: "Immo, Paul" <PImmo@CTITELE.COM>; "'Omar Masood'"
> > > <omarmasood360@hotmail.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 3:22 PM
> > > Subject: Re: OT: RE: Dark rivers of the heart?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Interesting ......
> > > > but i don't think that is a valid figure
> > > > --- "Immo, Paul" <PImmo@CTITELE.COM> wrote:
> > > > > Where are you getting your figures?
> > > > >
> > > > > Paul M. Immo CCDP, CCNP, MCSE
> > > > >
> > > > > CTI Telecom
> > > > >
> > > > > Sr. Solution Engineer
> > > > >
> > > > > Tel: 703-834-1538
> > > > >
> > > > > Cell: 703-930-5724
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > Wrom: JJPHSCRTNHGSWZIDREXCAXZOWCONEUQZAAFXISHJEXXIMQ
> > > > >
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 1999 10:29 AM
> > > > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > > Subject: Dark rivers of the heart?
> > > > >
> > > > > With now a reported 100 CCIEs being certified every
> > > > > 10 days...is it still
> > > > > the
> > > > > same certification Cisco have us believe? Think
> > > > > about it, 100 IEs in such a
> > > > > short period of time.
> > > > >
> > > >
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