From: Snow, Mark (Mark.Snow@xxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Wed Aug 07 2002 - 13:58:30 GMT-3
I don't think this guy should ever get the cert if this is his attitude
towards cheaters.
This cert is one of the highest in regards partially because of the small
elite community that makes it up, and their willingness to work together as
a team and help each other. We (not I yet) want to keep it small, so that
junk like this is always excluded from such community.
my 2 cents
Snow
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff K [mailto:Jeffbk@austin.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 12:38 PM
To: Omar Masood; CCIE FUN; Immo, Paul; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: OT: RE: Dark rivers of the heart?
That is an interesting answer. So, you will question the value of the CCIE
because of stuff like that, but will say you don't have the obligation to
notify Cisco of something as major as someone having 4 copies of the lab
manual because you technically aren't certified yet? No offense, but I
don't think you have much room to talk about the value of the program...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Omar Masood" <omarmasood360@hotmail.com>
To: "Jeff K" <Jeffbk@austin.rr.com>; "CCIE FUN" <ccieexam2002@yahoo.com>;
"Immo, Paul" <PImmo@CTITELE.COM>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 1999 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: OT: RE: Dark rivers of the heart?
> thank you for defining the truth, I not certified yet, so I don't think
the
> non-disclosures concerns me yet.
> **Omar Masood 360**
>
> e/m: omarmasood360@hotmail.com
> or: omarmasood@aol.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff K" <Jeffbk@austin.rr.com>
> To: <omarmasood360@hotmail.com>; "CCIE FUN" <ccieexam2002@yahoo.com>;
"Immo,
> Paul" <PImmo@CTITELE.COM>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 4:24 PM
> Subject: Re: OT: RE: Dark rivers of the heart?
>
>
> > As this is somewhat of a religious arguement, I try to avoid even
getting
> > involved... But, come on, do you expect everyone to stop pursuing their
> > CCIE because you got your number? As far as number of certifications
go,
> I
> > got my number (8007) August 14, 2001. Rick got his number (9482) on
June
> > 11, 2002. So, over an approximate 10 month period, that is about 150
> > certifications / month. I'm not saying that is a linear trend (I know
> there
> > are variables here like 9/11 and the two-day to one-day change) -- I
have
> no
> > desire to look at the data that much. Anyway, Cisco contends that the
> CCIE
> > is a way to identify people with a certain level of expertise with their
> > hardware / software and various networking concepts. They don't promise
> it
> > to be the solution to all your problems, nor do they promise you the
> > greatest jobs making the most money. True, some people get the CCIE who
> > really shouldn't. This happens in every area. Don't try to say that
> > everyone with a college degree is an expert in their field. And, there
> are
> > people out there willing to cheat to ge the cert. Once again, this is
not
> a
> > problem unique to the CCIE. It is up to us to make the decision to do
it
> > the right way and to notify the program when we find out about this
stuff.
> > It is really in our hands to keep the value of the CCIE high. BTW, did
> you
> > report the guy who had 4 versions of the RS lab booklet? You are pretty
> > much obligated to do so...
> >
> > One last thing, once we hit 5-digits, that still means there are about
> 9000
> > CCIE numbers that have been issued worldwide. Subtract those who aren't
> > current, not working in the field, etc. and it's a much smaller
number --
> > still a pretty elite group, I'd say.
> >
> > Good luck to all those still pursuing their CCIE,
> >
> > -Jeff., CCIE 8007
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <omarmasood360@hotmail.com>
> > To: "CCIE FUN" <ccieexam2002@yahoo.com>; "Immo, Paul"
<PImmo@CTITELE.COM>;
> > <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 1999 11:33 AM
> > Subject: Re: OT: RE: Dark rivers of the heart?
> >
> >
> > > I don't make the figures, Cisco do, do you really think they tell the
> > public
> > > everything? All comes out int the annual reports only. See for ur
self.
> > > Cisco along with Microsoft,Oracle and Juniper are companies that
> > specialise
> > > in 'generalisation personalisation'. Look around, I have heard from a
> very
> > > reliable source that he had 4 different variations of RS lab booklet
for
> > the
> > > lab - before he sat the exam - he passed with a very high score. Look
up
> > > what a public must do to stay public. business is business, right?
> > >
> > > **Omar Masood 360**
> > >
> > > e/m: omarmasood360@hotmail.com
> > > or: omarmasood@aol.com
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > Wrom: OKSTTZRCLBDXRQBGJSNBOHMKHJYFMYXOEAI
> > > To: "Immo, Paul" <PImmo@CTITELE.COM>; "'Omar Masood'"
> > > <omarmasood360@hotmail.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 3:22 PM
> > > Subject: Re: OT: RE: Dark rivers of the heart?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Interesting ......
> > > > but i don't think that is a valid figure
> > > > --- "Immo, Paul" <PImmo@CTITELE.COM> wrote:
> > > > > Where are you getting your figures?
> > > > >
> > > > > Paul M. Immo CCDP, CCNP, MCSE
> > > > >
> > > > > CTI Telecom
> > > > >
> > > > > Sr. Solution Engineer
> > > > >
> > > > > Tel: 703-834-1538
> > > > >
> > > > > Cell: 703-930-5724
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > Wrom: JJPHSCRTNHGSWZIDREXCAXZOWCONEUQZAAFXISHJEXXIMQ
> > > > >
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 1999 10:29 AM
> > > > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > > Subject: Dark rivers of the heart?
> > > > >
> > > > > With now a reported 100 CCIEs being certified every
> > > > > 10 days...is it still
> > > > > the
> > > > > same certification Cisco have us believe? Think
> > > > > about it, 100 IEs in such a
> > > > > short period of time.
> > > > >
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