RE: RE: OT - Lab for SALE

From: Michael Snyder (msnyder@xxxxxxx)
Date: Thu Jul 11 2002 - 23:52:44 GMT-3


   
My AGS has ROM, not flash. Do I have to remove the rom chips if I sell
the AGS?

OTOH, isn't all the bootroms a mini version of the IOS? Better remove
those bootroms!

-----Original Message-----
From: Kelly Cobean [mailto:kcobean@earthlink.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 9:29 PM
To: Michael Snyder
Subject: RE: RE: OT - Lab for SALE

Michael,
      I completely agree with you that to the end-user, this is a
completely
unreasonable, un-enforceable requirement. However, you MUST agree to
the
EULA/Software License before you can download an IOS from the Cisco
web-site, and I believe if you purchase an IOS on CD (not sure if you
can
still do this or not), you agree to the license by either opening the
package or installing the image. There is no such EULA when buying a
clock
radio, so your analogy is not technically accurate. If the manufacturer
of
the clock radio stated on the box "by opening this package and using
this
product, you agree to be bound by the EULA, which states that the
firmware
on the clock is sold under a non-transferrable license. Sale of this
clock
does not constitute sale of the firmware, which must be relicensed from
the
manufacturer by the purchaser", then you would have a valid argument,
except
that then selling your clock radio to a person who does not re-license
the
firmware is illegal.

I'm not saying I agree with it, I'm not even saying that it's not
totally
ridiculous. What I am saying is that not complying with it is breaking
the
law. It's software piracy, plain and simple. Additionally, I won't
tell
you that I haven't done this myself, because I have, so I'm guilty too.
The
point of my post was "Is Groupstudy placing itself at risk by providing
a
vehicle for the interstate, international sale of non-transferrable
licensed
software?". What do you think?

Regards,
  Kelly Cobean

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Snyder [mailto:msnyder@ldd.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 8:45 PM
To: 'Kelly Cobean'
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: RE: OT - Lab for SALE

Hey, my analogy is simple. My clock radio has a processor, memory, and
firmware. Want to tell the next person that buys my clock radio, or
microwave, or tv set that they have to relicense the firmware!!!

In truth, some clock radio manufacture should do this with a elua, so we
can get all the junk thrown out of court.

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All,
    I'd like to post something for contemplation, not to direct at Dale
specifically, but this is something that continually concerns me when I
see
people selling Cisco equipment. Please read the following paragraph
from
the Cisco's Policy on Software License Transfer:



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