From: Treptow, Georg (gxtrept@xxxxxxxxx)
Date: Thu Jul 11 2002 - 20:09:06 GMT-3
It would be nice if some of the cisco folks reply to this.
But while we are on this subject. I hardly belive that one would purchase
used, old Cisco gear to put it into their production network. Let's be
reasonable. The stuff we put together to become CCNA, CCNP, CCIE is only
benefitting Cisco. It is like a student license for MS products. None of us
will open up a case with the tac because a 2500 series router crashes
running BGP on top of RIP and IS-IS. It would be different if someone were
to sell GSR or a 7206VXR.
Georg
-----Original Message-----
From: Kelly Cobean [mailto:kcobean@earthlink.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 4:25 PM
To: ccielab
Subject: RE: OT - CCIE #9651, Lab for SALE
Craig,
I completely agree. If I buy 1 copy of something, I ought to be able to
sell that same copy, because after all, I own it don't I. The paragraph
from Cisco almost presents a picture that we are really just "leasing", if
you will, the software for the duration of our ownership of the router,
after which time we must relinquish our lease back to Cisco. It's
definitely a strong-arm tactic on behalf of Cisco that most people don't
seem to acknowledge, but we still agree to it when we use the software, and
especially when we go and download images from CCO. Some people on the list
took this message a little more personally, as I have already received
several "hate mails" for my even suggesting that they adhere to this costly
legality. But, like I said, I'm more concerned about any liability that
groupstudy might incur for providing a "vehicle" to conduct such
transactions. Oh, well.....
Kelly Cobean, CCNP, CCSA, ACSA, MCSE, MCP+I
Network Engineer
AT&T Government Solutions, Inc.
Disclaimer:
The opinions expressed herein are those of the author alone, and do not
necessarily relfect those of AT&T Government Solutions, Inc., it's
management, or it's affiliates.
-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Columbus [mailto:Craig.Columbus@columbusconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 5:19 PM
To: Kelly Cobean
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: OT - CCIE #9651, Lab for SALE
No, you're correct. When you sell Cisco hardware, the license doesn't
transfer.
Personally, I disagree that the restriction should even be
legal. Obviously, there has to be a restriction that prevents someone from
buying a single copy of software and then distributing copies of that
software for personal profit. However, if I buy something (hardware or
software), I should have full and unrestricted ability to resell the items
I purchased at any point I see fit. If I buy a router and buy the IOS
version, I should be able to sell the router and the IOS version to anyone
at anytime. Unfortunately, Cisco doesn't see it this way. They make much
more money when they require the IOS to be purchased everytime a router is
sold.
My $0.02...
Craig
At 04:29 PM 7/11/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>All,
> I'd like to post something for contemplation, not to direct at Dale
>specifically, but this is something that continually concerns me when I see
>people selling Cisco equipment. Please read the following paragraph from
>the Cisco's Policy on Software License Transfer:
>
>"Like many high-tech companies that produce software, Cisco adopts a policy
>of non-transferability of its software in order to protect its intellectual
>property rights. What this means in practice is that owners of Cisco
>products are only allowed to transfer, re-sell or re-lease used Cisco
>hardware and not the embedded software that runs on the hardware. This
>policy also applies to Cisco standalone software applications."
>
>I interpret this to mean that if you buy a router from someone, and it
>includes a software image, you have not purchased the software, and must
>purchase that from Cisco. I realize that few people pay attention to this,
>but it would be a shame to see GroupStudy get involved in any legal actions
>due to software licensing violations.
>
>Am I reading this right, or has the legal jargon gotten away from me?
>
>The thread below made me go check on this because I have not met anyone
with
>a home lab that contained this many Enterprise Plus IPSEC/3Des images that
>were legally licensed, and the cost of something like this, I would
imagine,
>is in the thousands of dollars.
>
>Input welcome!
>
>
>Kelly Cobean, CCNP, CCSA, ACSA, MCSE, MCP+I
>Network Engineer
>AT&T Government Solutions, Inc.
>
>Disclaimer:
>The opinions expressed herein are those of the author alone, and do not
>necessarily relfect those of AT&T Government Solutions, Inc., it's
>management, or it's affiliates.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
>Brouwer Dale-ADB080
>Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 1:04 PM
>To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>Subject: OT - CCIE #9651, Lab for SALE
>
>
>Since I passed the CCIE exam on Monday (CCIE # 9651), my home lab is now
for
>sale.
>Anything I don't sell will be posted on E-Bay the last week of July.
>
>I would like to sell it whole or in large chunks, preferrably to someone
>close by for pickup/delivery (Chicago Area).
>
>All 9 2500 series routers are 16 or 18 MB RAM / 16 MB FLASH with latest
boot
>ROMs.
>All 9 2500 series routers are running 12.1(15) Enterprise Plus IPSec 56.
>The 1604 is 18 MB RAM / 8 MB FLASH with latest boot roms.
>---
>Teltone ISDN Demonstrator - ISDN Simulator
>PolyCom Triple NT1 (for use with Teltone)
>Cisco Catalyst 2901 LAN Switch - running 4-5-13a software
>Cisco 2523 - 1TR, 10 Serial, 1 BRI
>Cisco 2521 - 1TR, 4 Serial, 1 BRI
>Cisco 2520 - 1 Ethernet, 4 Serial, 1 BRI
>Cisco 2516 - 16 Port Hub, 2 Serial, 1 BRI
>Cisco 2514 - 2 Ethernet, 2 Serial
>Cisco 2514 - 2 Ethernet, 2 Serial
>Cisco 2513 - 1 Ethernet, 1 TR, 2 Serial
>Cisco 2511-RJ - 16 Async, 1 Ethernet, 1 Serial
>Cisco 2501 - 1 Ethernet, 2 Serial
>Cisco 1604 with Serial WIC - 1 Ethernet, 1 Serial, 1 BRI
>7 10BaseT Transceivers
>2 IBM 8228 Token Ring MAUs
>2 Token Ring NICs (1 PCI, 1 ISA)
>7 3' DCE-DTE Back-to-Back Serial Cables
>2 6' DTE Serial Cables
>2 6' DCE Serial Cables
>8 Token Ring Cables (15 PIN to MAU)
>~10 ethernet & crossover cables
>Power cords/adaptors for everything
>4 sets of 2500 series rack mounting brackets
>Lots of console cables & connectors
>---
>Looking for about $5500 for the whole works
>
>Cheers,
>---
>Dale Brouwer, Lead Network Engineer
> > NS - CGISS - GTDG - WSDD - SIT
>Motorola Inc., Schaumburg, Illinois, USA
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