From: Paglia, John (USPC.PCT.Hopewell) (JPaglia@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Wed Jun 26 2002 - 22:38:01 GMT-3
Well said, Jason!!! The CCIE lab is ANYTHING BUT a read-a-book-and-pass
certification. In fact, I bet if you poll those who have failed at least
once, I bet ALL of them would say that lack of hands-on practice was their
demise.
Dave, get your head out of your posterior and realize the CCIE lab for what
it is...the hardest and most prestegious cert there is!!! This ain't no
Microisoft Cert! HAHAHAHAHA!!!
Pags
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason Sinclair [SMTP:sinclairj@powertel.com.au]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 7:51 PM
> To: 'DAve Diaz'; msnyder@ldd.net; RichardK@knowledgenet.com
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: Life to too short. (was RE: My lab experience)
>
> All
>
> Sorry to chime in but who the hell are you to judge the effort involved in
> obtaining this certification. Go read a book elsewhere. It is this
> arrogant
> condescending attitude that makes a lot of people sick. All you guys who
> are
> still studying go ahead - don't listen to ill-informed people such as Dave
> here. Perhaps Dave you can study from a book, remove yourself from this
> list
> and never touch a router. I have seen in a previous post that you have not
> sat the lab. I would never normally advocate talking about those who have
> the cert against those who don't, but how the hell can you judge this when
> you have not sat it let alone passed.
>
> To all the guys and gals on this list who don't carry on like this, I
> apologise for this post, but people like Dave here get me riled. I have
> stated before that I hire staff and I look for a number of things
> including
> certs and experience. Don't let this guys attitude put you off.
>
> Think of the lab like a game of sport (Soccer pops to mind for some
> reason!!) - you may not like all the rules, however you know the ground
> rules when you start and win or lose those are the rules. If you don't
> like
> the rules change games.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jason Sinclair CCIE #9100
> Manager, Network Control Centre
> POWERTEL
> 55 Clarence Street,
> SYDNEY NSW 2000
> AUSTRALIA
> office: + 61 2 8264 3820
> mobile: + 61 416 105 858
> email: sinclairj@powertel.com.au
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DAve Diaz [mailto:ddiaz106@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 26 June 2002 20:56
> To: msnyder@ldd.net; RichardK@knowledgenet.com
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Life to too short. (was RE: My lab experience)
>
> ccie means jack today I did an interview of four of them and ended up
> recommending a non-ccie becasue of his experience and troubleshooting
> skils,
>
> sadly ccie does not tell you the level of exp. or T/S skills someone has,
> ,
> ccie is only a benchmark and ambition for those ready to put oup with
> cisco's crap and obscure questions,
>
> Who needs to configure rip/igrp or ipx these days whn cisco's cd
> practically
>
> tells you how, many ,many get by ccie lab and have no idea, sorrry pissed
> off after seeing such poor technical experince and knowledge from 4 ccie;s
>
> what a joke, ccie's are book learner's,
>
>
> >From: "Michael Snyder" <msnyder@ldd.net>
> >Reply-To: "Michael Snyder" <msnyder@ldd.net>
> >To: "'Richard Kleimon'" <RichardK@knowledgenet.com>
> >CC: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >Subject: Life to too short. (was RE: My lab experience)
> >Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:01:58 -0500
> >
> >From a message posted by Richard Kleimon.
> >
> >"This list is for information and to help people. If you are going to do
> >that then stay the hell off!"
> >
> >Yo Bro, we are a virtual community.
> >
> >How could you be on the list for a year and not realize that that you
> >have to take the good postings with the bad postings?
> >
> >In many ways, this study list is like having a thousand people in a one
> >room school house. I believe even with all those excess broadcasts, we
> >are doing something that has never been done before, in the history of
> >the world.
> >
> >Think of years of experience that can be drawn from, at any one time.
> >You think clustering computers is neat? Our community has terraflops on
> >top of terraflops of some of the best thinkers in our field.
> >
> >I don't know the number of active members at any one time, nor the
> >number of countries of those members, or the number of people who will
> >read these messages in the future. But I do know we are world wide, and
> >nearly in realtime.
> >
> >When it seems like (to use your words), everyone is chiming in. You are
> >right. We are chiming in. How could you be part of a community without
> >people talking about issues that impact our group, and/or some talking
> >in general. Thought my mailbox might wish otherwise.
> >
> >Talking about the limits of the NDA, is something I think is very
> >normal.
> >
> >It's limits are important, and also, hair splitting is required in our
> >field. The same critical thinking that allows us to understand a
> >complex OSPF design, also requires asking critical questions of most
> >things. To explore our limits the same way another community would
> >explore the hills and valleys around it's home.
> >
> >One of the fun things about talking about nda issues, is that you can
> >break it by talking about it. Reminds me of the FCC rule about the seven
> >words you can't say on radio. Good circle logic.
> >
> >Anyway, in short.
> >
> >
> >Yes, please post messages that are within the scope of study.
> >
> >But, also remember that we are human, and also that your great, great,
> >grand daughter may be reading your posted messages in 2160.
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