From: steven.j.nelson@xxxxxx
Date: Wed Jun 26 2002 - 06:00:49 GMT-3
What question ?
-----Original Message-----
From: McCallum, Robert [mailto:Robert.McCallum@let-it-be-thus.com]
Sent: 26 June 2002 09:53
To: Nelson,SJ,Steven,IVNH33 C; jay@west.net; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: My lab experience
I am sure someone did try to point out that this was an NDA violation but in
doing so violated the NDA by disclosing to evryone on this list that that
question was in the lab.
Double edged sword springs to mind.
-----Original Message-----
From: steven.j.nelson@bt.com [mailto:steven.j.nelson@bt.com]
Sent: 26 June 2002 08:51
To: jay@west.net; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: My lab experience
Jay
Well said, but I think the problem of NDA Violation goes far deeper on this
forum than someone saying I got 5% on ISDN.
I mean you hear some guys moaning about Pauls post stating in part some of
his score, not his report but only one part of it. And for this he got some
do gooder shouting him down about NDA Violation.
I find it amusing that some people on this forum will spend the time to pen
a reply about something as trivial as this when every day there are people
posting a "how do I do X" that are questions that have been directly lifted
from the one day test.
I will not name anyone but one individual who regularly posts seems to have
posted every question that was on my last one day lab, and what's worse is
he has got the answers directly without having to go and learn the
technologies. This in some part verifies some peoples theory of a paper
CCIE.
I have also seen a number of other posts with "real" lab questions in, some
even with similar addressing schemes. I work with 11 CCIE's 4 of whom are
recently certified and they have all said at one point or other "Oh I had
that question on my lab, oh and that one too" all of these questions have
ben posted to this forum.
With all this in mind I have never heard anyone moaning about these types of
post being NDA, now I realise that all CCIE's can't know what has been
recently asked on the test but I am sure (if you have taken test recently)
that you have seen these posts too.
So come on guys, give Paul a break. If you want to moan about NDA have a go
at someone who really is breaking this agreement by posting real lab
questions to the group.
Just my 2 penneth.
All the best
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Jay Hennigan [mailto:jay@west.net]
Sent: 26 June 2002 02:04
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: My lab experience
On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, Michael Snyder wrote:
> Hi David,
>
> I'll take the other side of this, thought I don't care either way.
>
> It's 'your' score report.
And your observations and experiences in the lab are 'your' observations
and experiences, but you have a moral, ethical, and legal obligation not
to disclose them.
> It's this like the IRS telling you not to share your tax return?
Does the IRS tell you not to share your tax return?
More like agreeing not to disclose details of a legal transaction or
contract negotation and then doing so.
> Going the other direction, isn't the fact you passed a function of your
> score. Therefore every time you post your number, aren't you are
> reporting you had a high score?
When you pass, you get a different document that has your number.
> But if that part of the report is ok to share, well? And the other
> parts? Which ones?
It's not part of the score report.
Come on, folks. This isn't rocket science. The rules are far easier
than the rules for split horizon on frame-relay. If they tell you not
to disclose any part of something, then don't disclose it.
-- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Administration - jay@west.net NetLojix Communications, Inc. - http://www.netlojix.com/ WestNet: Connecting you to the planet. 805 884-6323
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