From: Erlend Ringstad (erlend@xxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Tue Jun 25 2002 - 15:15:03 GMT-3
What's wrong with you guys?
> For example, I thought I'd got the Dial section 100 per cent but I get 60 per
cent.
This can hardly be seen as sharing the score report. He is just making an examp
le.
Let's make our friends at Cisco deal with if this is a broken NDA or not shall
we?
I do know they are listening and take action when real NDA-crushers post questi
ons
taken from the rela lab.
Stop wasting my/our time with total crap like this.
--erlend
At 18:25 25.06.2002, David Wolsefer wrote:
>There is no question about it. This is a black and white violation. Here is
>the test from my score report:
>
>****************************************************************************
>THIS SCORE REPORT SHOULD NOT BE FORWARDED, IT IS INTENDED FOR INFORMATIONAL
>PURPOSES ONLY BY THE CANDIDATE, AND IT IS A NDA VIOLATION TO SHARE IT.
>****************************************************************************
>
>Regards,
>
>David Wolsefer, CCIE #5858
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: chris@pacinter.net [mailto:chris@pacinter.net]
>Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 11:56 AM
>To: McCallum, Robert; 'Paul'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>Subject: Re: My lab experience
>
>
>How is discussing your score report a violation? As long as you don't cover
>any portion of the test you are still in good standing. If I tell someone I
>scored 8% on BGP how is that violating the NDA!? It isn't, it is only
>telling someone how poorly I did on a particular section. A violation of the
>NDA would be releasing any information related to the exam itself. If he was
>to ask a question that was specifically on his lab, then that would be a
>violation, simply sharing percentages is not!
>
>-c
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "McCallum, Robert" <Robert.McCallum@let-it-be-thus.com>
>To: "'Paul'" <sixfooter777@btopenworld.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 8:16 AM
>Subject: RE: My lab experience
>
>
>> You do know that discussing your score report in anyway is a violation of
>the NDA !!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Paul [mailto:sixfooter777@btopenworld.com]
>> Sent: 25 June 2002 15:53
>> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: My lab experience
>>
>>
>> I took my lab yesterday in Brussels. It was my first go and unfortunately
>I
>> didn't make it thru. However I think it's a good thing for hopefully some
>of
>> you who are awaiting you lab date and also myself to say a few words about
>> the lab itself.
>>
>> Like other posts I have read, the lab is very much doable and yes time is
>a
>> factor but not as much as you might think. I personally had a couple of
>> hours spare to revisit a few things and find a few more mistakes I had
>made.
>>
>> The test itself is more about not what they ask you to do but what they
>> don't ask you to do and apparently as long as you don't do something they
>> forbid you to do and it works then that's fine.
>>
>> The proctor I had in Brussels was a good guy and had a good attitude which
>> was "there's your booklet, get on with it" and they left you alone which
>was
>> fine.
>>
>> Now my whinge. The scoring on the exam is in points and there are
>sections.
>> The results you get for each section are in percentages. OK, you can
>roughly
>> convert points into percentages but to me, the whole marking system is a
>big
>> grey area and one that Cisco really need to address. On the 2-day lab I
>> would have had some idea on where I would have gone wrong. Now, I am
>totally
>> in the dark. For example, I thought I'd got the Dial section 100 per cent
>> but I get 60 per cent. Why ? I will never know. Show me any book or
>> experiences that will help me here. It seems that another factor in the
>lab
>> exam is insider knowledge and that is wrong. With the majority of
>candidates
>> I suspect financing their lab exam privately and without the help of
>> expensive training sources ( just by private lab practice ), many of us
>are
>> at a disservice.
>>
>> I hate to say it but it seems the CCIE is more about who you know than
>what
>> you know and that's why I won't probably continue on this path because I
>> don't have deep pockets but for all of you that aspire, good luck.
>>
>> Paul.
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