From: Jake (jakeczyz@xxxxxxxxx)
Date: Thu Jun 20 2002 - 02:28:34 GMT-3
You guys are right, I've been whining recently. I apologize.
The CCIE is an extremely worthwhile goal, no matter what the immediate or long-
term
payoff might be. I have always believed this and I still do.
I was only trying to make a point about the security and to hyperbolize a littl
e to get
certain party's attention. In this, I've suceeded. As far as employers being ab
le to tell
a fake CCIE however, if you consider this argument a little deeper you'll see t
hat it's
not bulletproof. But, I'll just drop this whole thread at that.
Sincere Thanks to both of you for being so helpful on this board. We're all luc
ky to have
a semi-closed forum like this for interaction.
Go cisco!
J
--- elping <elpingu@acedsl.com> wrote:
> hey :
>
> are you saying this because some one you know or heard paid this money for so
meone to
> take
> the test for him/her.....?
>
> or is this something you think could happen and is keeping you from sleeping
at night?
>
> don't you think that if you interviewd a paper or weak ccie that you could te
ll a mile
> away....or in reverse
>
> people have a premintion because they get the CCIE it will solve everything
and open
> all
> doors for them....think about that when you say
> "No wonder the cert hasn't helped my career to date."
>
> Jake : All you have done in rant since you got your cert ...
> I ranted when I failed....but it did not help
>
> if you are as good as you sound....your gig will be coming your way .
>
> El ping
>
>
>
> Jake wrote:
>
> > Well, I guess "paper CCIE" is coming soon. Just like "paper MCSE" became ra
mpant
> after I
> > earned it by studying my butt off (in addition to a couple years of experie
nce, of
> > course).
> > I swear, why the hell can't they make an effort to keep it secure. I m
ean, come
> on!
> > How much would it cost per candidate to check some documents, take a pictur
e and
> > thumbprint and put it all on a card with a hologram and microprint. $20 dol
lars per
> > candidate (on the first attempt only)?? $40 maybe even $100. I would be hap
py to pay
> even
> > double if they ensured complete security. What's stopping Joe Q. Sixpack fr
om paying
> Mr
> > CCIE #12345 $10,000 to go pass the test for him. Shit, that's cheaper than
most CCIE
> > schools cost. I would never do it, but I'm willing to be 50% of the people
out there
> > would!!! Just look at the emails you guys are getting. And I'm willing to b
et
> > internationally it's even worse! There's places where the CCIE is worth mor
e than an
> > American passport. You figure it out.
> >
> > Sh*t, Microsoft does a better job securing the MCP and that only costs $120
.
> >
> > Although I haven't yet met an incompetent CCIE, (and I have met people with
years of
> > experience who don't know jack) I'm still beginning to worry. No wonder the
cert
> hasn't
> > helped my career to date. I really hope someone at Cisco reads this and has
an
> epiphany.
> > Otherwise, they'll have to make the test so damn hard to keep it valuable t
hat the
> only
> > people passing it will be the proctors. Why can't they learn anything from
Mirosoft's
> > failure?
> >
> > Sorry 'bout the tone guys... this stuff pushes my buttons.
> >
> > J
> > Pissed-Off CCIE
> >
> > --- "Treptow, Georg" <gxtrept@qwest.com> wrote:
> > > They actually looked at your license? I never had to do that in San Jose
a
> > > week ago. I just strolled in and told them that I am who I am. Good enoug
h
> > > for them - no questions asked.
> > >
> > > Georg
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jake [mailto:jakeczyz@yahoo.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 8:57 PM
> > > To: Rahmlow, Howard F.; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: Re: Odd Emails
> > >
> > >
> > > Hmmm....
> > > Too bad you can't prosecute people for "intent to cheat" like you can
> > > prosecute for
> > > "intent to kill." Otherwise, I would hope for $27 MM a year, Cisco would
> > > spend some money
> > > ensuring the security of the exam by having that Thailand ISP investigate
> > > the IP
> > > addresses sourcing those emails and prosecute the sneakernets off those
> > > people. Also, for
> > > those that have taken the test, did you feel the identity check was solid
?
> > > I'm a balding
> > > and unshaven twenty-something year old and I have a harder time buying
> > > cigarettes than I
> > > did "identifying myself" for the lab exam. For that kind of cash, you'd
> > > think they'd take
> > > people's fingerprints or Iris scan or DNA or at least a damn picture... a
nd
> > > not just have
> > > some receptionist glance at an out-of-state license.
> > >
> > > Any thoughts?
> > >
> > > Jake
> > > Underpaid CCIE #9102
> > >
> > > sh me th $
> > >
> > >
> > > --- "Rahmlow, Howard F." <Howard.Rahmlow@unisys.com> wrote:
> > > > Anyone else on the list getting weird e-mail's like the ones below. I g
ot
> > > > these 2 today. They were both sent to me not to the list.
> > > >
> > > > Howard
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Saiyan [saiyan191@yahoo.com]
> > > > Can you give an idea how you pass CCIE lab? Such as books, tools and wh
ich
> > > > lab
> > > > are you getting?
> > > > (I saw your email in groupstudy)
> > > >
> > > > Somchai [loso14@yahoo.com]
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I want to upgrade my cisco routers. But don't have new release of the I
OS.
> > > > Can
> > > > I just get your cco's logon for a while? I'm use it for my ccie exam.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks you,
> >
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