From: LabCandidate (labcandidate@xxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Mon Jun 17 2002 - 14:30:38 GMT-3
This is simply my opinion, you dont have to believe it, or read it
Im sure this will offend someone, but im not very PC. I know it may be
shocking to some people to think that a corporation might be motivated by
money ;)
12 people per day
1250.00 per person
7 days a week
5+ lab locations worldwide
$75,000.00 per day
$525,000.00 per week
$27,300,000.00 per year
BTW, next time you go take the lab, ask everyone there if this is their
first attempt. You will find that 80% to 90% are re-takers. Cisco is
motivated to make the test difficult to make existing CCIE's happy and to
increase their profits. The harder the test the more "valuable" the
certification, the more valuable the more people want it. The more people
want it, the harder they make it, and the more they can charge. Its called
cyclical demand, Bill Gates understands this perfecly.
The more people that take the lab the harder it will get, when demand falls
it will get easier. Its almost like supply and demand.
I have spoken to many CCIE's that say that they could not pass the test
today. It is harder than it use to be because more people are trying to get
it. Im not saying they make the test unfair, but they make it as difficult
as possible. They know that 30 to 50 percent of the engineers that sit for
the lab can configure everything required, however they cant let that many
people pass, so they blur the questions alittle, they dont ask what they
want, they hint what they want.
You have to accept this or move to something else. Its simply the way the
lab is, and probably has to be. Anything worth having is difficult to
obtain. I have failed the lab, yet I will go and take it again, and again.
The lab weeds out those that are not commited to doing it over and over
untill they get it right, and maybe that is what Cisco really wants. People
that dont give up, people that will work and work untill IT works.
If I have offended anyone it was not my intention.
This is simply my opinion, you dont have to believe it, or read it
Back to the study lab, and good luck to all that deserve it!
L
----- Original Message -----
From: <steven.j.nelson@bt.com>
To: <sandrello@tecnonetspa.it>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 11:24 AM
Subject: RE: Interpretaion of questions
> All
>
> I think you will find may people who can state similar stories about the
> solution working and not getting good marks.
>
> There does seem to be a "right" working way and a "Wrong" working way.
>
> Anyway that said, back to the lab tonight...
>
> Don't beat yourself up over these small things, just do your best and get
on
> with it...
>
> Cheers
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stefano [mailto:sandrello@tecnonetspa.it]
> Sent: 17 June 2002 16:05
> To: ccielab
> Subject: Re: Interpretaion of questions
>
>
> I had the same problem.....the question is: what kind of solution is the
> best for proctors?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <steven.j.nelson@bt.com>
> To: <troy@onenet.net>; <kurt@superonline.net>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 3:48 PM
> Subject: RE: Interpretaion of questions
>
>
> > Sorry Troy,
> >
> > Have to disagree, I had some requirement in my lab pertaining to ISDN. I
> > tested it fully 3 times, the last time being 10mins before the end of
the
> > test as I know a number of people who have had bad marks for dial.
> >
> > My solution worked perfectly, I gained less than 50% of the marks.
> >
> > So they are looking for some specifics in addition to the solution
> working.
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Troy Rader [mailto:troy@onenet.net]
> > Sent: 17 June 2002 14:29
> > To: Erhan Kurt; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: Interpretaion of questions
> >
> >
> > If you accomplish what they ask, and do not use techniques they say you
> > cannot use, you get the points. My understanding has always been that
the
> > proctors do not get to pick and choose what they personally like for a
> > solution. If you get it working, and don't violate the requirements of
> the
> > question, you get the points.
> >
> > I have had every question I asked, answered. I've been twice. I never
> ask
> > "which solution do you want". I clarify any wording that is unclear to
> me.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Erhan Kurt" <kurt@superonline.net>
> > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 6:54 AM
> > Subject: RE: Interpretaion of questions
> >
> >
> > > Folks,
> > >
> > > Instead of saying some percentages, it's better to talk about
> > interpretation
> > > issues in the exam.. It may be an effective way to interpret some
topics
> > > here before real exam.
> > >
> > > Some topics are listed below:
> > >
> > > 1- Redistribution techniques:
> > > for example: which is the best way for area 0 range: 2nd OSPF
> > > process or redist. Conn. before summary address.
> > > 2- DDR:
> > > Interpreting is so important to do the way actually wanted.
> > > 3- QoS:
> > > i.e. in FRTS, your calculations of CIR, Bc, mincir will be based on
> > > verbal sentences provided.
> > > 4- BGP:
> > > Communities, attributes, confederations, sync vs no-sync...
> > > 5- ACL:
> > > o PAY ATTENTION to your ALL already done stuff when putting an
> > > access-list, if you have any, you must permit equivalent ports for
them
> > like
> > > tcp eq bgp, ospf, eigrp, ntp, snmp, udp eq rip, etc.
> > > o PAY ATTENTION to new services through an interface containing
> > > access-list... if so make necessary changes on the access-list....
> > >
> > > 6- Bla, Bla, Bla.....
> > >
> > > It's sometimes really hard to say that this is the best way or the way
> > > wanted .. And then the result will be negative even it looks
working...
> > >
> > >
> > > Never Give Up,
> > > Erhan
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: David Luu [mailto:wicked01@ix.netcom.com]
> > > Sent: 16 Haziran 2002 Pazar 23:27
> > > To: Anthony Pace; Wes Stevens; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: RE: Interpretaion of questions
> > >
> > >
> > > the ccie lab is 25% configuration and 75% interpretation
> > >
> > > At 08:06 PM 6/16/2002 +0000, Anthony Pace wrote:
> > > >I have the same problem interpreting the "lab questions". Many times
> > > >the best solution is not the correct one and it becomes important to
> > > >adhere to the "letter of the law" not the "spirit of the law" when
> > > >interpreting questions. This goes for the practice tests as well. One
> > > >thing I will do next time is "neatly write several options down" and
> > > >show them to the proctor. Others have said this is helpfull. I did
not
> > > >avail myself of this when I took the test. Instead I chose to "stew
in
> > > >my own juices' and waste alot of time speculating about all the
> > > >possible combinations of things which they "might" be looking for.
> > > >
> > > >Anthony PAce
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 00:14:11 +0000, "Wes Stevens"
> > > ><ccie_miami@hotmail.com> said:
> > > > > My first attempt was friday. I did not pass. Time was not that big
> > > > > of an issue. I was done with an hour left to check things.
> > > > > Everything seemed to
> > > > > work and I felt that I had at least followed the rules. But they
> must
> > > > > have
> > > > > not of liked my solutions. The interesting thing is that the parts
> > that
> > > > > seemed the easist were where I did the worst. The part that kicked
> my
> > > > > butt I
> > > > > did well in. I think part is that I got over confident on the easy
> > > > > parts and
> > > > > did not pay enough attention to them. But part is also the ability
> to
> > > > > interpret what they want for a solution. I don't feel experience
is
> a
> > > > > big
> > > > > help here. I have been doing networking for many years and have
> never
> > > > > seen
> > > > > anything like what they put in front of me in the real world. I
did
> > > > > give
> > > > > them a solution that worked and was technically sound - but that
for
> > > > > sure
> > > > > was not enough. I have talked to several people that suggest a
boot
> > > > > camp -
> > > > > many of them are designed to build up your skills in interpreting
> the
> > > > > lab.
> > > > > But I am on my own on this - no help from my company. I would
really
> > > > > rather
> > > > > not have to pay for a bootcamp.
> > > > >
> > > > > So my question is what do you do - what do study and how do you
> > > > > study to build up these skills.
> > > > >
> > > > >
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