From: Lance (lance@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Mon Jun 17 2002 - 13:14:15 GMT-3
This is simply not true. They do not tell you what you cannot do, SOMETIMES
they tell you not to do A or B, but say nothing about D, E, or F. I could
give a couple of examples, however that would break my NDA. A friend of
mine put it best when he said " the questions are all grey, but the answers
are in black in white".
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carley, Charles" <charlesc@aiinet.com>
To: <steven.j.nelson@bt.com>; <troy@onenet.net>; <kurt@superonline.net>;
<ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 10:16 AM
Subject: RE: Interpretation of questions
> I would have to agree with Troy, they tell you what you cannot do and that
> is it. If you have a working solution and you did not violate the
> conditions provided then you will receive the points. This is not a
matter
> of guessing what the proctor wants you to do but more a matter of knowing
> how something really works so you can understand the wording of the
> question. My lab failure was not because of the proctor or Cisco but more
> my study habits. I suspect that blaming failure on other factors may make
> people feel better but they will not help you develop a study plan to
> overcome weak areas and be able to pass on your next attempt. If you feel
> like you lost points because of the proctor I would pay to have my lab
> graded by the review team although I suspect the results would be the
same.
>
> Charles
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: steven.j.nelson@bt.com [mailto:steven.j.nelson@bt.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 9:49 AM
> To: troy@onenet.net; kurt@superonline.net; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: Interpretaion of questions
>
> Sorry Troy,
>
> Have to disagree, I had some requirement in my lab pertaining to ISDN. I
> tested it fully 3 times, the last time being 10mins before the end of the
> test as I know a number of people who have had bad marks for dial.
>
> My solution worked perfectly, I gained less than 50% of the marks.
>
> So they are looking for some specifics in addition to the solution
working.
>
> HTH
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Troy Rader [mailto:troy@onenet.net]
> Sent: 17 June 2002 14:29
> To: Erhan Kurt; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Interpretaion of questions
>
>
> If you accomplish what they ask, and do not use techniques they say you
> cannot use, you get the points. My understanding has always been that the
> proctors do not get to pick and choose what they personally like for a
> solution. If you get it working, and don't violate the requirements of
the
> question, you get the points.
>
> I have had every question I asked, answered. I've been twice. I never
ask
> "which solution do you want". I clarify any wording that is unclear to
me.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Erhan Kurt" <kurt@superonline.net>
> To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 6:54 AM
> Subject: RE: Interpretaion of questions
>
>
> > Folks,
> >
> > Instead of saying some percentages, it's better to talk about
> interpretation
> > issues in the exam.. It may be an effective way to interpret some topics
> > here before real exam.
> >
> > Some topics are listed below:
> >
> > 1- Redistribution techniques:
> > for example: which is the best way for area 0 range: 2nd OSPF
> > process or redist. Conn. before summary address.
> > 2- DDR:
> > Interpreting is so important to do the way actually wanted.
> > 3- QoS:
> > i.e. in FRTS, your calculations of CIR, Bc, mincir will be based on
> > verbal sentences provided.
> > 4- BGP:
> > Communities, attributes, confederations, sync vs no-sync...
> > 5- ACL:
> > o PAY ATTENTION to your ALL already done stuff when putting an
> > access-list, if you have any, you must permit equivalent ports for them
> like
> > tcp eq bgp, ospf, eigrp, ntp, snmp, udp eq rip, etc.
> > o PAY ATTENTION to new services through an interface containing
> > access-list... if so make necessary changes on the access-list....
> >
> > 6- Bla, Bla, Bla.....
> >
> > It's sometimes really hard to say that this is the best way or the way
> > wanted .. And then the result will be negative even it looks working...
> >
> >
> > Never Give Up,
> > Erhan
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Luu [mailto:wicked01@ix.netcom.com]
> > Sent: 16 Haziran 2002 Pazar 23:27
> > To: Anthony Pace; Wes Stevens; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: Interpretaion of questions
> >
> >
> > the ccie lab is 25% configuration and 75% interpretation
> >
> > At 08:06 PM 6/16/2002 +0000, Anthony Pace wrote:
> > >I have the same problem interpreting the "lab questions". Many times
> > >the best solution is not the correct one and it becomes important to
> > >adhere to the "letter of the law" not the "spirit of the law" when
> > >interpreting questions. This goes for the practice tests as well. One
> > >thing I will do next time is "neatly write several options down" and
> > >show them to the proctor. Others have said this is helpfull. I did not
> > >avail myself of this when I took the test. Instead I chose to "stew in
> > >my own juices' and waste alot of time speculating about all the
> > >possible combinations of things which they "might" be looking for.
> > >
> > >Anthony PAce
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 00:14:11 +0000, "Wes Stevens"
> > ><ccie_miami@hotmail.com> said:
> > > > My first attempt was friday. I did not pass. Time was not that big
> > > > of an issue. I was done with an hour left to check things.
> > > > Everything seemed to
> > > > work and I felt that I had at least followed the rules. But they
must
> > > > have
> > > > not of liked my solutions. The interesting thing is that the parts
> that
> > > > seemed the easist were where I did the worst. The part that kicked
my
> > > > butt I
> > > > did well in. I think part is that I got over confident on the easy
> > > > parts and
> > > > did not pay enough attention to them. But part is also the ability
to
> > > > interpret what they want for a solution. I don't feel experience is
a
> > > > big
> > > > help here. I have been doing networking for many years and have
never
> > > > seen
> > > > anything like what they put in front of me in the real world. I did
> > > > give
> > > > them a solution that worked and was technically sound - but that for
> > > > sure
> > > > was not enough. I have talked to several people that suggest a boot
> > > > camp -
> > > > many of them are designed to build up your skills in interpreting
the
> > > > lab.
> > > > But I am on my own on this - no help from my company. I would really
> > > > rather
> > > > not have to pay for a bootcamp.
> > > >
> > > > So my question is what do you do - what do study and how do you
> > > > study to build up these skills.
> > > >
> > > >
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