From: steven.j.nelson@xxxxxx
Date: Mon Jun 17 2002 - 12:20:56 GMT-3
Troy
I wouldn't read too much into what is said regarding this, the answer is
plain either you know what is required or you ask. If you don't get
clarification just go with what you know best as long as it works, meets the
requirements and does not break any rules.
But above all, don't do nothing.
Take care, keep at it.
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Rader [mailto:troy@onenet.net]
Sent: 17 June 2002 15:56
To: Nelson,SJ,Steven,IVNH33 C; kurt@superonline.net;
ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Interpretaion of questions
Thanks for the clarification. I hate to hear that though.
On my first test, I had ISDN working as I understood the question. As the
proctor reviewed with me (2 day format), it became clear what the intent of
the question was, and that my slight mis-interpretation took me down a
different path. I could have made it work either way, but just
misunderstood what they wanted. (I got 100% on isdn on attempt #2.) I did
not ask the proctor for clarification while I was taking the test since it
seemed clear to me at the time. I guess I assumed that all the stories I
heard were people getting stuff to work, so they thought, based on a slight
mis-interpretation of the requirement(s). Or perhaps methods of testing
what is working and what is not are flawed. I have always been hopeful that
my interpretation of the method of grading the lab was true, but perhaps I
am believing what I want to believe and not facing facts.
----- Original Message -----
From: <steven.j.nelson@bt.com>
To: <troy@onenet.net>; <kurt@superonline.net>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 8:48 AM
Subject: RE: Interpretaion of questions
> Sorry Troy,
>
> Have to disagree, I had some requirement in my lab pertaining to ISDN. I
> tested it fully 3 times, the last time being 10mins before the end of the
> test as I know a number of people who have had bad marks for dial.
>
> My solution worked perfectly, I gained less than 50% of the marks.
>
> So they are looking for some specifics in addition to the solution
working.
>
> HTH
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Troy Rader [mailto:troy@onenet.net]
> Sent: 17 June 2002 14:29
> To: Erhan Kurt; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Interpretaion of questions
>
>
> If you accomplish what they ask, and do not use techniques they say you
> cannot use, you get the points. My understanding has always been that the
> proctors do not get to pick and choose what they personally like for a
> solution. If you get it working, and don't violate the requirements of
the
> question, you get the points.
>
> I have had every question I asked, answered. I've been twice. I never
ask
> "which solution do you want". I clarify any wording that is unclear to
me.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Erhan Kurt" <kurt@superonline.net>
> To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 6:54 AM
> Subject: RE: Interpretaion of questions
>
>
> > Folks,
> >
> > Instead of saying some percentages, it's better to talk about
> interpretation
> > issues in the exam.. It may be an effective way to interpret some topics
> > here before real exam.
> >
> > Some topics are listed below:
> >
> > 1- Redistribution techniques:
> > for example: which is the best way for area 0 range: 2nd OSPF
> > process or redist. Conn. before summary address.
> > 2- DDR:
> > Interpreting is so important to do the way actually wanted.
> > 3- QoS:
> > i.e. in FRTS, your calculations of CIR, Bc, mincir will be based on
> > verbal sentences provided.
> > 4- BGP:
> > Communities, attributes, confederations, sync vs no-sync...
> > 5- ACL:
> > o PAY ATTENTION to your ALL already done stuff when putting an
> > access-list, if you have any, you must permit equivalent ports for them
> like
> > tcp eq bgp, ospf, eigrp, ntp, snmp, udp eq rip, etc.
> > o PAY ATTENTION to new services through an interface containing
> > access-list... if so make necessary changes on the access-list....
> >
> > 6- Bla, Bla, Bla.....
> >
> > It's sometimes really hard to say that this is the best way or the way
> > wanted .. And then the result will be negative even it looks working...
> >
> >
> > Never Give Up,
> > Erhan
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Luu [mailto:wicked01@ix.netcom.com]
> > Sent: 16 Haziran 2002 Pazar 23:27
> > To: Anthony Pace; Wes Stevens; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: Interpretaion of questions
> >
> >
> > the ccie lab is 25% configuration and 75% interpretation
> >
> > At 08:06 PM 6/16/2002 +0000, Anthony Pace wrote:
> > >I have the same problem interpreting the "lab questions". Many times
> > >the best solution is not the correct one and it becomes important to
> > >adhere to the "letter of the law" not the "spirit of the law" when
> > >interpreting questions. This goes for the practice tests as well. One
> > >thing I will do next time is "neatly write several options down" and
> > >show them to the proctor. Others have said this is helpfull. I did not
> > >avail myself of this when I took the test. Instead I chose to "stew in
> > >my own juices' and waste alot of time speculating about all the
> > >possible combinations of things which they "might" be looking for.
> > >
> > >Anthony PAce
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 00:14:11 +0000, "Wes Stevens"
> > ><ccie_miami@hotmail.com> said:
> > > > My first attempt was friday. I did not pass. Time was not that big
> > > > of an issue. I was done with an hour left to check things.
> > > > Everything seemed to
> > > > work and I felt that I had at least followed the rules. But they
must
> > > > have
> > > > not of liked my solutions. The interesting thing is that the parts
> that
> > > > seemed the easist were where I did the worst. The part that kicked
my
> > > > butt I
> > > > did well in. I think part is that I got over confident on the easy
> > > > parts and
> > > > did not pay enough attention to them. But part is also the ability
to
> > > > interpret what they want for a solution. I don't feel experience is
a
> > > > big
> > > > help here. I have been doing networking for many years and have
never
> > > > seen
> > > > anything like what they put in front of me in the real world. I did
> > > > give
> > > > them a solution that worked and was technically sound - but that for
> > > > sure
> > > > was not enough. I have talked to several people that suggest a boot
> > > > camp -
> > > > many of them are designed to build up your skills in interpreting
the
> > > > lab.
> > > > But I am on my own on this - no help from my company. I would really
> > > > rather
> > > > not have to pay for a bootcamp.
> > > >
> > > > So my question is what do you do - what do study and how do you
> > > > study to build up these skills.
> > > >
> > > >
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