From: Jake (jakeczyz@xxxxxxxxx)
Date: Fri Jun 07 2002 - 21:55:10 GMT-3
Michael,
Thanks for your comments. I agree that in this milieu we are likely to enco
unter some
of the same material as on the exam. When it is a coincidence, that's fine. I g
uess my
point was that it's a little audacious of people to ask things which were on th
e test,
when prudence would dictate just looking it up. The topics I'm speaking of aren
't VLSM to
FLSM, which is a more involved and core topic, but simple 2-4 lines of code whi
ch are
very specific and unusual and which my hundreds of hours of lab preparation and
tons of
reading never touched. By posting the exact question online, they give everyone
those
points and bring the value of the cert down. Plus, don't they realize that with
umpteen
formats, and Cisco keeping track of which ones people tried, they'll never get
the
question again? Ohh well... I guess we can spit at 'em from the high road. ;-)
Perhaps
because I already passed, I have a different weltanschauung. (You can look this
one up,
buddy) ;-)
rgds,
Jake
--- Michael Snyder <msnyder@ldd.net> wrote:
>
> This comes up every three months. Let me be brief.
>
>
> Of course, knowledge leaks from the lab into this list. Also knowledge
> from this list leaks into the test. I believe you would be hard pressed
> to document the chicken and egg relationship.
>
> Lets review some definitions.
>
> We are a virtual community focusing in a scope of study of the knowledge
> needed to pass the CCIE test.
>
> The CCIE test is a test from a equipment manufacture who needs people
> who know how to install their complex equipment in order to stay in
> business.
>
> That by itself is pretty clear cut. Let muddy the waters a bit.
>
> There's some very smart people (some of them on this list) who are
> working independently to create complex scenario's designed to mimic the
> lab test. Another chicken and egg relationship. And don't forget the
> 1000 monkeys working 50 million years to write Shakespeare. I bet
> there's some CCNA's who have lab'ed XYZ two years before it showed up on
> the lab, and never knew it.
>
> Surely the test writers wouldn't consider using new and interesting
> memes from such a public forum. (If you don't know what a meme is, you
> might want to look it up.)
>
> Long story short, I'm not planning to break the NDA, nor do I indorse
> any else breaking it. I've worked too hard to learn this knowledge, and
> don't want to make it any easier on the people who come after me. It
> would only devalue my work.
>
> That said, if you have a CCIE level question about how to do XYZ, where
> else would you ask it? Not in the 3com list. This is the place for such
> questions. Remember our scope of study is anything that COULD be on the
> test. Just like the scope of the test, is anything that COULD be done
> with Cisco equipment.
>
>
> Of course you could open a TAC case for every XYZ that you know is on
> the test. Answers from Cisco could never be considered as breaking an
> NDA.
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