From: Hansang Bae (hbae@xxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Wed May 29 2002 - 21:48:39 GMT-3
At 12:22 AM 5/29/2002 -0700, scott mann wrote:
>I have been quiet for a couple of months after failing my lab a couple of time
s. I decided to take the time off to concentrate on work (got a promotion), res
t my mind for a few weeks, and just go over the syntax a couple of hours before
the lab.
>So the lab is in a few hours and I am have not studied 1 hour since my last at
tempt. Am I crazy....maybe, but for me the time it takes to learn every possibl
e unheard-of command is simply not worth it. It's cheaper to pay $1250 to learn
from the attempt than to spend another 200 hours searching for every little lo
ophole/trick scenario.
>I've already spent 1 year and 1000+ serious hours of lab work. I know the core
about as well as anyone can, so it's a matter of getting the right test. If I
get a tough one and I don't make it, I'll probably be pissed for a day or so, b
ut then I'll move on and reschedule in 30-60 days.
>Truth is, if I take the test several times more to pass, I will be all the bet
ter for it as I teach Cisco networking part-time, and each attempt just gives m
e that much more insight to my CCIE Bootcamp Training which I plan to open towa
rds end of year.
I don't usually partake in these threads but I have to take exception. You're
going about this all wrong. You may indeed pass because you lucked out with an
easier test. But knowing how to do a particular lab is VASTLY different than
UNDERSTANDING what you're doing.
You will *NOT* be all the better unless you're saying that if you see more labs
, you can pass on that scenerio to your students. It almost sounds as if you'
re deliberately trying to do this.
>I have found in my attempts that even though I nailed a requirement, including
getting the protocor to OK my solution, I would still loose the points when th
e score comes back?!?
**NO** proctor would OK a scenrio. They would fired if they did. Perhaps it's
because you don't FULLY comprehend what it is they are asking that you're not
getting the full points.
Not being pajoritive here, but stating a possible reason as to why you're not g
etting the points. For example, "make sure this device can get out through the
routers" can be met with a default route on the PC to the router's interface.
But it was *really* asking for you to implement vrrp/hsrp.
> So, armed with that knowledge, I know it's a matter of knowing the material A
ND being graded by a proctor who likes your particular solution (which may work
perfect, be allowed by the requirement, but rub the protocor the wrong way).
Not in my experience. I've only taken it twice but both times, they were VERY
FAIR w/o giving away the answer.
>In any case, I failed my previous attempts because I deserved to. I missed som
e simply boneheaded things which I will remember and improve upon each successi
ve attempt.
>In many ways, the CCIE certification is as much about money as anything. If yo
u have $20,000-$40,000, then you can afford the equipment and the finest traini
ng to SPEED your way to your goal. I personally would rather take my time, buil
d myself a nice home lab and attempt the lab many times rather than spend $4000
for 5 days of brain-crushing Bootcamp, but that's personal choice.
Yet you're going to open up a bootcamp? A bit ironic that you don't believe in
something you're about to embark on, don't you think?
>Failing SUCKS, but I learn more from the experience than any practice lab I ha
ve ever tried...it's actually fun after you've been there a couple of times. I
think I'll ask a LOT of questions this time to get my money's worth.
We used to have a saying in the Infantry. Practice DOESN'T make perfect. Perf
ect practice makes perfect. Again, it comes down to knowing what you're doing
as opposed to doing the lab from rote memory.
>Anyways, wish me luck and I'll pass on my experience when I finish..
Good luck on your attempt. I wasn't at all trying to be demeaning or pajorit
ive. But I've seen enough "engineers" who bang away at the keyboard until some
thing magically works. They don't know why or how they got it to work, but tha
t it works - until it fails and they have to start all over. Truse me when I s
ay that we have people like that at work and it's DEPRESSING and ANNOYING to wo
rk with such "co-(non)workers" Not knowing how to do XYZ is completely OK so
long as you're willing to learn. Afterall, non of us are that smart. But *thi
nking* you know everything is another thing entirely!
hsb
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