From: Peter Rosenthal (perosenthal@xxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Thu May 02 2002 - 02:24:54 GMT-3
As much as I would love to reply and refute most of these posts I simply do
not have the time this week. Chuck I would like to mention one thing in
response to your email though. Those names that you mentioned did not write
about the CCIE. They wrote about general networking topics that I am sure
Howard can probably write about. He seems pretty knowledgeable about book
stuff even though I don't think he's spent much time on real networks. Some
people are just career writers which is fine as long as they admit it like
Priscilla did. But, I am one of the people that believes if you're not a
CCIE you shouldn't be training people how to become one regardless of how
knowledgeable you are. If you haven't been through it then I just don't
respect your opinion on what its all about. Also I can think of several
people on this list that would embarass Howard on a real network or
training people. (Brian Dennis comes to mind) Please don't put Howard on
such a high pedestal. His ego cannot possibly be any more inflated.
---- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Church" <cchurch@MAGNACOM.com>
To: "'Peter Rosenthal'" <perosenthal@hotmail.com>; "'Ludwig Morales'"
<lud.morales@codetel.net.do>; "'Peter van Oene'" <pvo@usermail.com>;
"'Howard C. Berkowitz'" <hcb@gettcomm.com>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 11:22 PM
Subject: RE: Some free scenarios and tutorials (slight correction)
> Peter,
>
> Please just go away. You don't know what you're talking about.
> Howard has forgotten more about networking than most of us will ever know.
> Have you read any of his technical posts? He might not be a CCIE, but I
> don't think John Moy, Radia Perlman, or Bob Metcalfe are either. Are you
> going to bash them too? Do people read their books and value their
opinion?
> You bet. Very few, if anyone, on this list is in their league. An
> important part of becoming a CCIE is knowing who knows more than you and
> learning from them. Learn that lesson, and you'll be much better off.
>
> Chuck Church
> CCIE #8776, MCNE, MCSE
> Sr. Network Engineer
> Magnacom Technologies
> 140 N. Rt. 303
> Valley Cottage, NY 10989
> 845-267-4000
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> Peter Rosenthal
> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 7:32 PM
> To: Ludwig Morales; Peter van Oene; Howard C. Berkowitz
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Some free scenarios and tutorials (slight correction)
>
>
> Howard will never take the exam. Others have challenged him and he
declines
> every time because he knows he doesn't have the skills. If he would at
> least once admit that I would probably go a lot easier on him.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ludwig Morales" <lud.morales@codetel.net.do>
> To: "Peter van Oene" <pvo@usermail.com>; "Howard C. Berkowitz"
> <hcb@gettcomm.com>
> Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 7:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Some free scenarios and tutorials (slight correction)
>
>
> > If where you dude I'll simply take the exam and shut this people!!
> >
> > Good luck on your attempt!
> >
> > :)
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Peter van Oene" <pvo@usermail.com>
> > To: "Peter Rosenthal" <perosenthal@hotmail.com>; <Cisco@groupstudy.com>;
> > <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:38 PM
> > Subject: Re: Some free scenarios and tutorials (slight correction)
> >
> >
> > > The scenarios are free. I'm sure many folks would be interested in
some
> > > additional scenarios to work with on their home/work labs.
Furthermore,
> > > although I haven't seen them, I would suggest they tend far more to
the
> > > realistic end of networking than the actual CCIE lab. As a guy who
has
> > > been emphatically making the point that the CCIE does not provide one
> with
> > > sufficient real life knowledge/experience, I would have thought you'd
> take
> > > the other side of this argument and support that Howard's not having
> taken
> > > the lab is a good thing. Life after the lab usually involves doing
> things
> > > in a more practical nature and thus some practical studying can't hurt
> to
> > > much, particularly when it's free.
> > >
> > > Pete
> > >
> > >
> > > At 11:12 AM 5/1/2002 -0400, Peter Rosenthal wrote:
> > > >Thank you very much for the spam. It is appreciated by all I'm sure.
> > > >Hopefully people do not contribute to yet another CCIE rack site that
> > uses
> > > >GS to spam. I am amazed this is being allowed. But, I guess that's
> what
> > > >happens when you have a "partnership."
> > > >
> > > >Does anyone else see a conflict of interest here? Other vendors have
> > been
> > > >pushed off the list yet Howard is allowed to frequently spam here.
> > Someone
> > > >even told me that all cc-bootcmp messages are being filtered because
> they
> > > >want to keep their competition off the list. I don't know if this is
> > true,
> > > >so I guess I'll have to try a test message to see if they filter it.
> > > >
> > > >Besides, who wants to read CCIE prep material from a guy that hasn't
> even
> > > >passed the lab! Howard does us all a favor and please go take the
lab.
> > > >You're so awesome with all your books and work on the IETF so it
should
> > be a
> > > >breeze. No excuses!
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" <hcb@gettcomm.com>
> > > >To: <Cisco@groupstudy.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > >Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 9:57 AM
> > > >Subject: Some free scenarios and tutorials (slight correction)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I've set up an anonymous FTP server at 12.107.238.3. Sorry for
the
> > > > > IP address; it will be ftp.gettlabs.com when our DNS administrator
> > > > > updates the file.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyway, it contains two general sorts of things. First, there's a
> > > > > collection of tutorials I've written, plus some of my ongoing work
> in
> > > > > the IETF and IRTF.
> > > > >
> > > > > Second, there are an assortment of scenarios in beta test.
> Discussion
> > > > > on this list is encouraged, and I'll be happy to discuss some of
the
> > > > > assumptions in their design. Please discuss this on the open
list.
> > > > >
> > > > > Legal disclaimer on scenarios:
> > > > > Copyright 2002, Gettlabs, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
> > > > > License is granted only for individual, noncommercial use.
> > > > > Scenarios may not be further distributed by the person
downloading.
> > > > >
> > > > > In other words, enjoy them as long as you use them in your own
> > > > > studies and for nothing else. I ask that you not distribute them
> > > > > simply for quality control -- things are constantly being updated
> and
> > > > > I'd like to be sure people download the most recent version.
> > > > >
> > > > > Commercial disclaimer: these all run on the www.gettlabs.com
racks,
> > > > > and we'd be delighted if you bought rack time to run them. That's
> not
> > > > > a requirement. Gettlabs proper operates on a modified open source
> > > > > arrangement for its scenarios. I have cleared this with Paul
> > > > > Borghese, and our agreement is that as long as there are no
charges
> > > > > for the scenarios themselves, even they run on a commercial rack,
> > > > > they will not be considered commercial for open discussion.
> > > > >
> > > > > Some of our partners, such as IPexpert and Groupstudy,
> > > > > ^^^^^^^^^^
> > > > > I meant CertificationZone. Brain not fully
> > interoperable
> > > >with
> > > > > fingers this morning.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > sell scenarios that run on our racks. If you want to buy them, go
to
> > > > > their sites and pay them what they ask. What we sell is rack time
> > > > > and, in a broader context, consultant and reseller services.
> > > > >
> > > > > Technical disclaimers: No warranty is implied; many of these
> > > > > secenarios are still in test and are being put out to the
community
> > > > > both for general learning and further evaluation. Even after they
> > > > > are fully operational, they still will be downloadable with no
> charge.
> > > > >
> > > > > Couple of miscellaneous notes:
> > > > >
> > > > > Scenarios 1 through 4 are meant to be run one after another,
> with
> > 5
> > > >and 6
> > > > > coming. You can run 2, 3, or 4 by itself, as long as you preload
> the
> > > > > configurations that come before it.
> > > > > The "H" files contain initialization configurations. In
general,
> > > > > addresses are preassigned for non-frame/ATM/ISDN interfaces, and
you
> > > > > are given an address range for switched interfaes.
> > > > > --
> > > > > "What Problem are you trying to solve?"
> > > > > ***send Cisco questions to the list, so all can benefit -- not
> > > > > directly to me***
> > > > >
> > >
> >
>
>***************************************************************************
> > *
> > > >****
> > > > > Howard C. Berkowitz hcb@gettcomm.com
> > > > > Chief Technology Officer, GettLab/Gett Communications
> > > >http://www.gettlabs.com
> > > > > Technical Director, CertificationZone.com
> > http://www.certificationzone.com
> > > > > "retired" Certified Cisco Systems Instructor (CID) #93005
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