From: Ludwig A. Morales (morales_l@xxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Tue Apr 30 2002 - 22:26:39 GMT-3
I'm sure the concern on most of the people trashing CCIE is that if things
keep up the way they are going the will no longer have the elite status they
hold now, the CCIE certification still as quite as hard as it use to, only
thing is more bootcamp, more books, equipment price gone down (how many old
CCIE did actually build a home lab uhh?) and most of all more seats in the
lab.
But people you are loosing sigh here if you want to belong to a elite group
you still can, how many people hold all CCIE certifications? What about new
technologies (IP Telephony for example) you can not pretend to pass an exam,
obtain a certification and live the rest of your life of it, if it pisses
you of that you are not alone anymore, well find something new or be the
best at what you are.
Regards,
Ludwig
----- Original Message -----
From: "DAve Diaz" <ddiaz106@hotmail.com>
To: <kris.keen@aon.com.au>; <sinclairj@powertel.com.au>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>; <nobody@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 8:32 PM
Subject: O/T ccie 9240 thread
> I too support my incredible level of disbelief at this turn of events
within
> the CCIE program, with simple math, consider for example that the highest
> approximate number used in the CCIE Program was number 6800 in February
2001
> then consider that six months later the highest number known was
> approximately 8000 in August 2001. That is 1200 CCIEs, minus 200 just in
> case my observations are wrong, Cisco would not comment on the actual
> numbers in use nor the pass rate, beleievd to fluctuate from the inae 0 5
in
> October 2001 to who knows what today, but this still leaves 1000 or about
> 200 new CCIEs per month during this period. At this rate of growth coupled
> with the new one-day practical lab can CCIE #10,000 be far behind. I
predict
> that in 2002 we will see CCIE #10,000 be awarded, last count was 9240,
> compared to the last number we estimated in Oct 2001, which was around
8200,
> so thats around 2000 a year compared to 6000 in 7 years, do the maths,
cisco
> want more ccie's, period, in the two day format it was almost impossible
to
> pass, in todays format its very doable with some hard work, cisco even
> release ccie practical studies guides to help, . So why is this happening
at
> Cisco? Well do the words new CCIE program management put some reasons
into
> your mind? I also see a couple of reasons. The Cisco coupled their
> certification program (overall) with financial incentives (via resellers)
> and tied discount levels to having lots of Cisco certified people on staff
> this has resulted in enormous back pressure from Cisco Resellers to Cisco
> with these resellers saying your certifications are so hard, you are
> costing us business, and so forth Cisco listened as these folks account
for
> a lot of the Cisco success and profits. So the new CCIE Program management
> has given in, gone over to the dark side, been assimilated call it what
you
> will but the inherent value of Cisco Certification can easily be seen as
in
> jeopardy (i.e. possibly on the decline) as a direct result of these
actions.
> As an enduring fan of Cisco Systems, I hope that their proposed changes to
> the CCIE track will in no way minimize the hard work of the men and women
> who have sacrificed time and money in the pursuit of the CCIE
certification.
> Some of the smartest people I know are CCIEs all but not all of them are!
> No doubt the people making these decisions are not by far the brightest
> folks in the IT certification industry as we have seen. Regardless of what
> happens, I tip my hat to anyone who seeks to better their career (and the
> people on this alias) path through the attainment of an industry
> certification be it Juniper, Microsoft or Cisco. The effort required to
> prepare for and pass these exams is considerable and we would all hate to
> see that legacy diminished in any way.
> The role that certification is going to play in our industry is clearly
> entrenched and will not go away. The current Juniper certification program
> is brand new and just beginning to evolve. I mention all of the above
> opinion so that people who are concerned with their fate and careers can
> advise Juniper , cisco, Microsoft the direction they want to see the
> program evolve. Lets look at the current state of CCIE,
>
> 1. $1250 US a day (2 day same price)
> 2. No Feedback or little
> 3. Notification via email no personal touch,
> 4. If you want a re-grade $250 but no additional feedback
> 5. Closing labs around the place
> 6. What s next
>
>
> Clearly Cisco management (share price $14.00) in particular are making
> decisions under pressure and clearly it has affected their judgement, lets
> just pass the damn exam and move on, there is sure to be something better
> soon, juniper, lucent , microsoft who knows
>
> Dave
>
>
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