From: Micheal Knight (micheal_nite@xxxxxxxxx)
Date: Wed May 01 2002 - 14:06:06 GMT-3
Mr Berkowitz
Dude....E'NUFF RESPECT!
--- "Howard C. Berkowitz" <hcb@gettcomm.com> wrote:
> At 9:14 PM -0400 4/30/02, Ludwig Morales wrote:
> >Cool dude, this is the logest tread i've seem im
> this mailing list's history
> >without using "NDA" .
> >I was thinking to let it slide myself but naaaa.
> >
> >First of all the fact that he took less time than
> you could provee that the
> >exam is easier now or that he's more discipline and
> more inteligent than
> >you, that depends on your perspective and the
> choise that less ofends you.
> >
> >Now to the CCIE Vs. experince stuff, i may be
> wrong but i think you are
> >comparing apples and oranges, i think i told this
> story before but well what
> >the heck..
>
> Be careful about comparing anything to apples or you
> may irritate
> Priscilla. :-)
>
> >.
> >
> >in the first CCIE bootcamp i took our instructor
> conducted an small survey
> >to measure the level of all atendees by making a
> list of the tecnologies he
> >was about to explain by drawing two columns on a
> sheet, one was your
> >teorical experience and one was your practical
> experience regardig each
> >technology, one of the atendees sheets came to he's
> atention when he saw
> >that unlike all the rest of us this dude had more
> practical experience than
> >theory, when he asked how come his answer was that
> he was able to configure
> >and troubleshoot up to a point but for him
> sometimes the router was like the
> >black box of a plane, he didn't know what the hell
> was inside of it. when
> >the TAC told him to change some parameter he simply
> did it and did not
> >understand what was the purpose (this dude has been
> working with Cisco for 4
> >years) so you see, CUIE does give you something,
> the knowledge of how each
> >thing works, I dare anyone with more the 5 years of
> experience but with
> >never laying a hand on Doyle's to explain to me how
> igrp calculate it's
> >metric (remember the k values?) or the
> Lollipop-Shape Sequence number space.
>
> :-) But how did JEFF learn it? (Actually, I asked
> him, and he got
> some informationr released, by Dino Farinacci IIRC).
> The lollipop
> sequence came from Radia Perlman (I was the reviewer
> of Jeff's OSPF
> chapter), and I believe she and/or the standard is
> credited. The
> best writeup of the lollipop is in her
> Interconnections book --
> better, I think, than John Moy's.
>
> >.
> >
> >Well anyway for those of you in the track dont let
> a coment like this
> >disapoint you, he's not right, he's not wrong
> that's just his point of view
> >and you should not be worried about it (unless
> Robert is your boss, jejejje)
> >
> >good luck to us, work hard and congratulate those
> who have achive their goal
> >that helps us all aswell.
> >
> >OH and one last question, do you wake up in the
> morning and have all the
> >kwoledge to pass a CCIE exam? No? Then how do you
> get this kwoledge?
> >Uhhhhh trough experience?
>
> Take a look at a picture of Scott Bradner sometime;
> he has a slight
> resemblance to Santa Claus. Vint Cerf is no spring
> chicken. They
> still study.
>
> >
> >PS, been working in IT for 6 years now (thank God
> i'll be a CCIE that have
> >been pushing and pulling routers for 6 years)
>
> let's see...I first started programming in 1966 or 7
> (it blurs) and
> actually put together my 1st network in 1970.
> Hmmm...this week, I've
> learned some things about the application of control
> theory to
> routing protocols, about measurement timing issues
> in OSPF
> performance measurement, in some legal requirements
> for crypto in
> medical networks, and have been Perl programming
> since last week!
>
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