From: Peter Rosenthal (perosenthal@xxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Wed May 01 2002 - 12:13:46 GMT-3
Howard just likes to impress people with all of his supposed "contacts" and
his smoke screen of knowledge. The guy is obviously a bookworm and has
never worked on a real network. He always talks about things he has
"written" and not work he's actually done. Now I'm sure Howard will respond
with his classic list of places he's consulted for. But, most of us know
he's full of shit. Apparently Howard feels that his name carries some
weight like Doyle (excuse me while I die laughing). Hopefully most of us
see him for what he is. He uses this list as spam and gets away with it
cause Paul is being paid advertising $$$ from a few vendors that Howard is
affiliated with. His book is definitely worthless and thankfully I looked
through it before buying it. Another bookworm that frequents this list has
a crap design book out too. I used it to help get the fire going in my
fireplace. The funniest part is she reviewed his book on Amazon! I wonder
how many of Howard's other buddies and co-workers helped promote this crap.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ludwig A. Morales" <morales_l@hotmail.com>
To: "Howard C. Berkowitz" <hcb@gettcomm.com>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: CCIE #9240
> listen, unlike the rest of the people here I couldn't care less that you
> find my comment useful or not, trashing people is usually a way to make
you
> feel better about yourself. I read your Designing Routing and switching
> architecture a few days ago, didn't find it that useful, and you didn't
see
> me here trashing your book right? because that was just my point of view.
>
> My good old daddy use to say:
>
> There's not much greatness in holding honors, greatness comes from
deserving
> them"
>
> And those with CCIE (either hi or low numbers deserve to be CCIE, maybe
> except for those that found their number in a corn flake box, anyone?)
>
> Sure JEFF (so you now him!!, great can you get me an autograph :P ) was
not
> the first one to write about the Lollipop-Shape Sequence number space, now
> when someone ask me from who did I learn about that, his getting the
credit
> because that's the book I've read, my comment was simply to demonstrate
that
> many "experience" networkers don't event open a book, "heckk what do
need
> a book for or a cert as well I've been troubleshooting for X year" (yeahh
> stupid but maybe you've been doing it the wrong way).
>
> A Final comment, I would relay more on a rookie doctor that just graduated
> from medical school that from someone that just have "experience" in a
> surgery room and haven't been properly trained.
>
> PS. Once again experience has great weight (of course I put my 6 years in
my
> resume, though I've only been working with Cisco for 2 years, do my 6
years
> of experience means more to someone than Munib 2 Years with a CCIE, I
don't
> think so) I just see it wrong to take credit from the guys that recently
> pass the exam, what do you feel threaten!!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" <hcb@gettcomm.com>
> To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:21 AM
> Subject: Re: CCIE #9240
>
>
> > At 9:14 PM -0400 4/30/02, Ludwig Morales wrote:
> > >Cool dude, this is the logest tread i've seem im this mailing list's
> history
> > >without using "NDA" .
> > >I was thinking to let it slide myself but naaaa.
> > >
> > >First of all the fact that he took less time than you could provee that
> the
> > >exam is easier now or that he's more discipline and more inteligent
than
> > >you, that depends on your perspective and the choise that less ofends
> you.
> > >
> > >Now to the CCIE Vs. experince stuff, i may be wrong but i think you
are
> > >comparing apples and oranges, i think i told this story before but well
> what
> > >the heck..
> >
> > Be careful about comparing anything to apples or you may irritate
> > Priscilla. :-)
> >
> > >.
> > >
> > >in the first CCIE bootcamp i took our instructor conducted an small
> survey
> > >to measure the level of all atendees by making a list of the
tecnologies
> he
> > >was about to explain by drawing two columns on a sheet, one was your
> > >teorical experience and one was your practical experience regardig each
> > >technology, one of the atendees sheets came to he's atention when he
saw
> > >that unlike all the rest of us this dude had more practical experience
> than
> > >theory, when he asked how come his answer was that he was able to
> configure
> > >and troubleshoot up to a point but for him sometimes the router was
like
> the
> > >black box of a plane, he didn't know what the hell was inside of it.
> when
> > >the TAC told him to change some parameter he simply did it and did not
> > >understand what was the purpose (this dude has been working with Cisco
> for 4
> > >years) so you see, CUIE does give you something, the knowledge of how
> each
> > >thing works, I dare anyone with more the 5 years of experience but with
> > >never laying a hand on Doyle's to explain to me how igrp calculate it's
> > >metric (remember the k values?) or the Lollipop-Shape Sequence number
> space.
> >
> > :-) But how did JEFF learn it? (Actually, I asked him, and he got
> > some informationr released, by Dino Farinacci IIRC). The lollipop
> > sequence came from Radia Perlman (I was the reviewer of Jeff's OSPF
> > chapter), and I believe she and/or the standard is credited. The
> > best writeup of the lollipop is in her Interconnections book --
> > better, I think, than John Moy's.
> >
> > >.
> > >
> > >Well anyway for those of you in the track dont let a coment like this
> > >disapoint you, he's not right, he's not wrong that's just his point of
> view
> > >and you should not be worried about it (unless Robert is your boss,
> jejejje)
> > >
> > >good luck to us, work hard and congratulate those who have achive their
> goal
> > >that helps us all aswell.
> > >
> > >OH and one last question, do you wake up in the morning and have all
the
> > >kwoledge to pass a CCIE exam? No? Then how do you get this kwoledge?
> > >Uhhhhh trough experience?
> >
> > Take a look at a picture of Scott Bradner sometime; he has a slight
> > resemblance to Santa Claus. Vint Cerf is no spring chicken. They
> > still study.
> >
> > >
> > >PS, been working in IT for 6 years now (thank God i'll be a CCIE that
> have
> > >been pushing and pulling routers for 6 years)
> >
> > let's see...I first started programming in 1966 or 7 (it blurs) and
> > actually put together my 1st network in 1970. Hmmm...this week, I've
> > learned some things about the application of control theory to
> > routing protocols, about measurement timing issues in OSPF
> > performance measurement, in some legal requirements for crypto in
> > medical networks, and have been Perl programming since last week!
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