From: Mingzhou Nie (mnie@xxxxxxxxx)
Date: Tue Apr 30 2002 - 20:57:43 GMT-3
You are wrong, Dave. When I say "won't ever thing earlier CCIEs are
better technically", I have no intention to disdain old takers, I
simply counter Sean's point that older CCIEs are more admirable in
terms of indepent studying.
Is a CCIE 9200 superior to CCIE20000? No way. Just because there's more
ways to discuss and practice doesn't challenge a CCIE's accountibilty.
I'm certainly ignorant at some point because I'm not a perfect man.
However, being an OLDER CCIE, you simply take my words personal and
distorted my original thought. You are ignorant in my opinion, thought
you are a CCIE.
Don't take it personal, Dave. You are welcome to debate with me. Let's
take if offline if you will.
--- MADMAN <dmadlan@qwest.com> wrote:
>
> I thought better for a moment than to even respond to your email
> but I
> think you may be missing a clue.
>
> I'm one of the 1996 test takers. Yes you are correct, there was no
> voice, QOS, switches nor several of the knobs available now. In 5
> years
> from now there will be new technologies that people will be learning,
> does this mean people who are currently passing will be the
> equivalent
> to your view of the "1996/97" CCIE's?
>
> What else has changed Mingzhou? There was no Cisco press, CCNA,
> CCNP,
> CCXX..., no bootcamps, no world wide mail lists brimming with NDA
> info,
> no virtual labs etc. You learned by working on networks and studing
> based on the little info available concerning the lab and when you
> felt
> up to it you went to San Jose.
>
> So do you suppose those who took the test then fell off the face of
> the earth or what?? Who do think helped test, implement,
> troubleshoot,
> teach etc. the new technologies that are currently being tested???
>
> BTW, I don't think most of the "old" CCIE's give a damn what you
> think
> of us technically anyway but thanks for sharing your ignorance.
>
> Dave
>
>
> Mingzhou Nie wrote:
> >
> > I don't agree, Sean. Do you know what had been tested in 1996/7.
> > There's no voice, not Qos, no new techs that has since been added.
> I
> > won't ever thing earlier CCIEs are better technically.
> >
> > --- Sean Wu <vpivci@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Peter, I agree with you in that experience is important to this
> > > field,
> > > and most network managers tend to think in the same way. But what
> > > about
> > > the quality of experience, in my mind, 2 years' experience with
> > > intensive cisco hands-on is much more valuable than 5 years'
> first
> > > level
> > > network support.
> > >
>
> David Madland
> Sr. Network Engineer
> CCIE# 2016
> Qwest Communications Int. Inc.
> dave@interprise.com
> 612-664-3367
>
> "Emotion should reflect reason not guide it"
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