From: thomas larus (tlarus@xxxxxxx)
Date: Thu Apr 18 2002 - 12:41:40 GMT-3
I wonder if the companies have any idea how much good publicity it is for them
to have their employees telling stories about how supportive the company has be
en in their pursuit of the CCIE. Your employer, AON, has missed a great opport
unity.
I know there have been some posts on here that make me want to apply for a job
at the company after I get the CCIE. My gosh, companies will pay huge finding
fees to headhunters, sometimes even in bad times, yet they could have good peop
le coming to them if they just gave their employees a little support. Word gets
around, particularly with lists like this available.
>>> <kris.keen@aon.com.au> 04/16/02 22:00 PM >>>
I'm presently studying for the CCIE. Our company contract alot of the Cisco
network out to a ISP who provide the cisco hardware, lines and service.
This isnt really great for me, as I find myself troubleshooting problems
with the WAN with this particular companies helpdesk staff who really do
some strange stuff!
Approaching the IT manager for assistance for the CCIE hasnt been too
successful yet, I've gone out and built the lab outta my own pocket,
although the books are on the company AMEX card..
The company has so far paid for all my CCNP exams, might be a different
story with the lab/written. Finding it very difficult to get in contact
with the IT manager and actually have a good chat about it, as I believe
its quite a important matter for both the company and the candidate to
really go through things when pursuing this Cert..
In any case, Im not locking myself down here and if the chance comes along
for someone whos going to provide me a great learning envroment, and pay
for my CCIE, then thats great!
I think alot of ISP/Telco companies have no problem at all in funding the
CCIE, but companies such as mine (Insurance) hesistate..
Id be taking everything the company offers, and in good return issue some
service back to them... I'd be nowhere if it wasnt for some of my previous
places of work who have funded all my training!
All the best
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Kris Keen - CNE, CCNA, CCNP
Network Support Specialist - Network Systems
Aon Risk Services Australia Limited
(612) 9253 7272
0404862970
E: Kris.Keen@aon.com.au
"Ludwig
Morales" To: "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com
>
<morales_l@hot cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
mail.com> bcc:
Sent by: Subject: Re: How much did your emp
loyer pay?
nobody@groupst
udy.com
17/04/2004
10:43 AM
Please respond
to "Ludwig
Morales"
If yor company will benefit any any way from your certification i think is
wrong that you have to pay for it (still you must give 110% and be
responsible by not taking the lab if you have the slightest doub), also
they
canot abligate you to take this exams and pay for them if you fail, that
would be like imposing you a debt that you didnt ask for, well anyway i
think you are in the best place to negotiate this, you are a CCIE now and
if
the valued you before belive me they will valued you a lot more now.
I canot complay about my company, even though i had to arrange my own lab
and buy my own material, theyve paid for my first attempt and my traveling
expenses and theyll pay for the next one, so im studying hard, dont want to
disapoint them.
Best of luck to you all
Regards,
Ludwig
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com>
To: "'Antonio Marfil'" <tony.marfil@networxcorp.com>;
<ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 12:06 PM
Subject: RE: How much did your employer pay?
> Everybody's employers are going to be different.
>
> When I was first doing this, I was CIO at a company. I was the one who
> created a policy that the company will pay for the PASSED exam fees for
all
> certifications. Whether MCSE, CCNA, CCNP or CCIE the policy was the
same.
> So whenever I would fail something, I got to eat the cost myself. Policy
is
> policy.
>
From your company's standpoint, hopefully they have a set policy in
place.
> From your standpoint, if they don't, I would be looking at the "why" for
the
> CCIE. Did they tell you that you had to get this? Did they want you to?
> Do they get a monetary benefit from you having it?
>
> If there is no set policy (applicable to everyone), and the answer to
those
> questions is yes at all, then I would say you have a strong case for
getting
> your failed attempts paid for as well.
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> Antonio Marfil
> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 11:17 AM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: How much did your employer pay?
>
>
> I'm arranging my certification expense report for my employer with hopes
of
> being reimbursed for the whole amount and I've been told that my failed
> attempts won't be covered. It took me three tries to pass the CCIE, I
> failed twice and finally passed on March 22nd.
>
> Have most of the aspiring CCIEs or certified CCIEs on this last been
> reimbursed for there failed attempts?
>
> Is there a link on the internet showing what the average cost of CCIE
> certification to an employer is? My TOTAL expense report was for $5850
> (including failed attempts) and I have a feeling this is way below the
> average.
>
> Some things I didn't bother expensing were the cost of the rack ($7000),
> travel, hotel, meals and books. Have most of you included these?
>
> Your help and advice would be much appreciated!
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Antonio Marfil, CCIE #9011
> Senior Network Engineer
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