From: Brent D. Stewart (brent@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Tue Apr 16 2002 - 13:59:32 GMT-3
Yes, all employers are different. I've had a few different experiences on
this. My current employer benefits directly from my certification, so they
cover registration and travel - pass or fail. Global Knowledge is a good
company and understands the mutual good that comes from something like this.
For instance, even though you don't see a number after my name I am
tremendously better at my job as a result of starting down this path and
committing myself and my time to this course of study.
I had a past employer (they've now disappeared on the scrap heap of history,
to borrow a phrase) that expected to be reimbursed for all training expenses
if you left the company within a year. The policy details were murky but
vigorously enforced by the threat of lawsuit. <Expletive!>
When I owned a company and employed others my policy was to pay 150% of
successful attempts. This created the self-motivation that many employers
seek, but by paying a little extra I covered an occasional failure. I
thought that this was a fair policy, although it might not be perfectly
applicable to our test. My policy toward training expenses was that it was
a pat on the back for a job well done and not an IOU, so I never sent people
to training until they'd been with the company for a year or more. Of
course people still left to pursue other opportunities, but one result of my
policies was that I had early notice when people were offered jobs and
plenty of time to cope. Plus, people left my employment as better and more
confident technicians and I continue to benefit in large and small ways from
those relationships. An enlightened employer (IMHO) understands that
today's employees are tomorrow's customers, or at least make up the network
of contacts that continue to provide new opportunities.
I've done a lot of stupid things, but this was one place I felt like I was
successful. I hope my experience helps.
Brent D. Stewart
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of Scott
Morris
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 12:07 PM
To: 'Antonio Marfil'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: How much did your employer pay?
Everybody's employers are going to be different.
When I was first doing this, I was CIO at a company. I was the one who
created a policy that the company will pay for the PASSED exam fees for all
certifications. Whether MCSE, CCNA, CCNP or CCIE the policy was the same.
So whenever I would fail something, I got to eat the cost myself. Policy is
policy.
>From your company's standpoint, hopefully they have a set policy in place.
>From your standpoint, if they don't, I would be looking at the "why" for
the
CCIE. Did they tell you that you had to get this? Did they want you to?
Do they get a monetary benefit from you having it?
If there is no set policy (applicable to everyone), and the answer to those
questions is yes at all, then I would say you have a strong case for getting
your failed attempts paid for as well.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
Antonio Marfil
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 11:17 AM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: How much did your employer pay?
I'm arranging my certification expense report for my employer with hopes of
being reimbursed for the whole amount and I've been told that my failed
attempts won't be covered. It took me three tries to pass the CCIE, I
failed twice and finally passed on March 22nd.
Have most of the aspiring CCIEs or certified CCIEs on this last been
reimbursed for there failed attempts?
Is there a link on the internet showing what the average cost of CCIE
certification to an employer is? My TOTAL expense report was for $5850
(including failed attempts) and I have a feeling this is way below the
average.
Some things I didn't bother expensing were the cost of the rack ($7000),
travel, hotel, meals and books. Have most of you included these?
Your help and advice would be much appreciated!
--Regards,
Antonio Marfil, CCIE #9011 Senior Network Engineer
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