From: Church, Chuck (cchurch@xxxxxxxx)
Date: Wed Feb 13 2002 - 10:32:22 GMT-3
I think you hit that one on the head. Even today, I don't think I could
have passed that test I had in November. In fact, when our proctor arrived
back in November, we were all waiting for him. His exact words were:
"Wow, you guys are in a hurry to fail."
True story.
Chuck
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Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 2:12 AM
To: talbotpat
Cc: Chuck Church; ccielab@groupstudy.com; cisco@groupstudy.com;
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Subject: Re: Whew! CCIE 8776! (strange)
Millions of Congrats mate,
You know.. it is the stragest thing.. I did the one day lab, one week after
it was released.. and I came out of the lab thinking a 94 is the least I
will get... only to find out that I have failed by a considerably low
mark!!!!!
To this date, I am devastated!!!!!!!!!
I feel that I was being used as a Beta Tester....... leagal action coming
up babies 8->
Speedo
"talbotpat"
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05:13 PM
Please
respond to
"talbotpat"
Way to go Chuck! Perserverance pays off!
Pat
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Church" <cchurch@MAGNACOM.com>
To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>; <cisco@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 11:43 PM
Subject: Whew! CCIE 8776!
> All,
>
> I think the title says it all. Took the lab today at RTP. 4th time
> was the charm. I don't know where to begin. Might as well start with
the
> thank you's. Thanks to Bruce, Val, and Fred at NetMasterClass. Thanks
also
> to those on the list that I've either studied with or have helped me out
in
> the past with problems. Thanks also to Paul for putting this great list
> together. As far as how I prepared, I might as well give the whole
story.
> Started working on Cisco about 2 1/2 years ago after going though the
Novell
> and MS Certs. After getting NA, DA, NP, and DP, I passed the CCIE
written
> in October 2000. Without really knowing how to study or what to prepare
> for, I got my butt handed to me in January at RTP. Didn't know much more
> than your average CCNP would. Tried again in April, but BGP killed me,
and
> again I didn't make it to day 2. After that, I found a study partner
> (Thanks Boris) and we worked pretty hard last summer. Did all the
bootcamp
> labs, thought I knew everything I needed to.
> November 4 of 2001, figured I'd breeze through the lab. I don't
> know if it's true, but I heard the first couple of months with the new 1
day
> format had a very low pass rate. I know I could have used a couple more
> hours to finish. If anyone took the lab in Oct or Nov of last year and
> failed, don't be discouraged. I think they've scaled it back a little
> nowadays.
> Fast forwarding to today. After spending a week with Val, Bruce,
> and Fred at the NMC-1 course, and doing nothing but working on my speed,
I
> felt pretty prepared. Everything in the Doyle Volume 1 and Bruce/Val's
book
> made sense. Though running a little low on sleep, I felt good this
morning.
> Roughly 4.5 hours into the test, we got lunch. At that point I was done
> with the IGP's and almost done with the EGP's. In other words about 2/3
of
> the way done, by my estimate. At 1:30 I was done, but needed to go back
and
> work on 3 things I couldn't figure out. A little discussing with the
> proctor, and 2 of them were fixed. But then I think I read too much. I
had
> solved a problem one way, but realized the wording of the question might
> change what they were looking for. Checking with the proctor, I got the
> impression that he really didn't like my solution. So there I am, 1.5
hours
> to go, and I'm making a somewhat major change :( Looked OK, but with 1/2
an
> hour to go, I noticed a 'neighborship' bouncing up and down :o 10
minutes
> to go, got it all working, but didn't get a chance to completely double
> check all my other work as time expired. I know I left 1 thing
unconfigured
> (a 2 pointer), but started wondering if I'd made other mistakes. They
said
> to expect the results tomorrow afternoon. A plane flight back to New
York,
> and there's the email waiting. 8776!
> If anyone's wondering what I used to study, here's the short list:
>
> Groupstudy! Paul's done a great job. There are certain people on this
list
> that should be flagged as must-reads. I won't mention any last names,
but
> there are a couple guys named 'Brian' (both long-time CCIEs) that are a
huge
> asset to this list. Thanks guys.
>
> Doyle - Volumes 1 and 2 - Everything you ever wanted to know about IP,
but
> were afraid to ask.
>
> Bridges, Routers, and Switches for CCIEs - Bruce Caslow and Val
Pavlichenko
> - Used edition 2, but I understand 3 is coming out soon. This book
covers
> most everything. I expect the new edition will cover more multicast and
> QOS, and drop Appletalk and DECnet. But still the most useful book I've
> found.
>
> Halabi - Used 1st edition, but everything I was asked to do with BGP is
in
> that book.
>
> Bootcamp labs - Worked though these with a partner, because his company
was
> cool enough to buy them for him, and my company wasn't! Great
preparation
> and simulation for the test.
>
> Various docs from CCO - Might as well go to the source!
>
> Most importantly - NMC-1 http://www.netmasterclass.net/nmc/ Bruce and
Val
> explain the most difficult subjects very well. A couple of things are a
> little lacking in the book, but they cover those very well in the class.
Be
> prepared to work your a** off that week though. 8:30AM to 11PM is the
norm
> that week. But I highly recommend it, especially if you've come close to
> passing before.
>
> Well, sorry to ramble on so much. I'm off to bed for a L O N G
> sleep.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Chuck Church
> CCIE 8776
> CCNP, CCDP, MCNE, MCSE
> Sr. Network Engineer
> Magnacom Technologies
> 140 N. Rt. 303
> Valley Cottage, NY 10989
> 845-267-4000 x218
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