From: David Hiers (dhiers@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Sun Jan 13 2002 - 15:38:41 GMT-3
Good points, Manny. It's *supposed* to be hard...
David
-----Original Message-----
From: Manny Gonzalez [mailto:manny@nyp.org]
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 10:07 AM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: at the lab exam
Oh well, "me too"
Here is my take. The ten point system:
1. Be good enough to have the guts to say "I don't care what the heck
they throw at me, I am passing this thing because I know my stuff"
2. Read the above a few hundred times and until you can say it
comfortably, don't attempt the test.
3. Do not take the test if you feel like it is unfair, not enough info,
secret, etc. etc. You HAVE THE RIGHT NOT TO TAKE ANY EXAM.
4. If you want it the easy way, go ahead, take the MCSE, CNE, Etc. etc.
I like my HARD, SECRETIVE, DIFFICULT, RESPECTED, CCIE just the way it
is. The more difficult the better.
5. Everything that is going to be on the test is actually EXTREMELY WELL
KNOWN!!!!!!! It is called the HELP system in IOS. Someone in this group
pointed out to me the obvious when I asked the obvious: "What else do I
have to study?" said I. "Check IOS and if there is anything you have not
mastered in there, you are not ready" said the wise man.
6. It should not matter HOW they throw a question your way. If you know
it, it will not matter.
7. All the mystery is WELL KNOWN. So don't take it if you can't hack
it!!!!!!!
8. Why do so many people spend the time writing about the worries? Spend
that energy in learning it all.
9. Please consider those of us who do not mind all the hub bub and
actually want to use this list for what is intended: TO STUDY NOT-ALONE.
Please... enough with questions that relate to the exam. Let's stick to
the LEARNING process here.... WE WILL NEVER CHANGE WHAT CISCO DOES ABOUT
THE TEST!!!!!!! Period. Yes, free country, free speech, start your own
"I HATE CISCO CCIE WEBSITE" and setup your front line there. Leave the
rest of us alone.
10. And finally, my $0.00002 on this subject. If you must complain about
ANYTHING related to the CCIE, then you're not ready to take the exam.
Giveortake@aol.com wrote:
>
> Can someone explain to me any other type of exam where the NDA is so strict
> and scary that individuals are afraid of discussing stratedgies on how to
> draw a lousy picture? There is no other exam that does not have published
> material that covers
>
> 1) How many points do I need?
>
> 2) How many total points are there?
>
> 3) How is the exam marked (which is an answer that no one knows and
> probably highly subjective)? Yes I can ask for a remark by if I failed why
> bother to spend the extra couple hundred bucks...
>
> 4) What is the structure? As in do I need to get all tasks complete in a
> section in order to earn the points?
>
> 5) Should I draw my own picture or not?? (which frankly I believe Cisco
> should provide you a picture of the diagram that you can mark on) Just for
> grins I wonder if the proctor would fail you for writing on the official
> diagram. OOOOPPPPSS I openly stated they may have provided me with a
> diagram. Is that a violation? Then again I said may have provided me...
>
> Stupid as I am, I actually walked into this exam without the above
> information. Makes it very hard to pass irrespective of how good I may or
> may not be.
>
> Please do not respond with answers to the above since I know the answers that
> their are actually answers to. My point is simply that every professional
> test has basic information about it widely available to the public including
> but not limited to medical exams, Bar exams, broker exams, insurance exams,
> CPA exams, etc. so why is Cisco so ridiculous or the cult that follows Cisco
> so ridiculous to the point that even the above questions are considered by
> most NDA type information. After all they are not openly printed on Cisco's
> sight which must mean they are NDA violations..... Right?
>
> There is a difference between guarding the integrity of a testing process and
> providing basic information concerning format beyond 1day,xx routers and xx
> switches, know everything.
>
> In my opinion the above is not testing knowledge but dedication to a
> "product" and wallet size.
>
> Hope I entertained you all....... Feel better now.
-- Manny Gonzalez | manny@nyp.org | n2mav
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