From: kurt kruegel (kurt@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Mon Jan 07 2002 - 17:34:54 GMT-3
aggreed ... thanks
Shawn wrote:
> Software was one of the few exceptions. A book can be considered
> intellectual property, but it's still copyrighted (which means laws do
> apply). And in a recent ruling and a to Adobe -- and to license restrictions
> throughout the software market -- the Central District Court of California
> ruled that software buyers can resell the software even if the End User
> License Agreement prohibits it.
>
> The U.S. district court ruling suggests that, as the owner of that copy of
> Windows that you got stuck with when you bought your computer, you have the
> right to sell it -- just like any other product you might own.
>
> I don't want to discuss this anymore. Do what's in your heart, and
> enjoy the remainder of this beautiful day.
>
> Keep up the good research Kurt (smile)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "kurt kruegel" <kurt@cybernex.net>
> To: "Shawn" <slloyd2@nc.rr.com>
> Cc: "Jay Hennigan" <jay@west.net>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 2:54 PM
> Subject: Re: buy ccbootcamp lab subscription
>
> > that application doesn't really make sense to me ?
> > your house is not copyrighted material or someone else's intellectual
> property.
> > to me lab equipment (routers,switches) would be physical property
> > (like your house)
> > but, (labs)
> > would be copyrighted material
> > composed of someone else's intellectual property that you are granted a
> licence to
> >
> > use.
> >
> >
> > Shawn wrote:
> >
> > > That's a very interesting statement. You can buy and sale lab equipment,
> etc,
> > > but not labs. (Wow)
> > > That's like telling me I can't resell my home. No disrespect to Brad or
> > > CCBootcamp, but my interpretation of the copyright law is :
> > >
> > > The U.S. copyright act grants certain exclusive rights to the owner of a
> > > copyright in a work. These exclusive rights are different from the
> rights
> > > given to a person who merely owns a copy of the work. For example, when
> a
> > > person purchases a book at a bookstore, they have received a property
> right in
> > > a copy of a copyrighted work (namely, the book). The book owner may then
> > > resell the book, or even destroy it, since they own the book. However,
> the
> > > book's owner did not receive any copyright rights when they purchased
> the
> > > book. All copyright rights are held by the book's author until the
> author
> > > specifically transfers them. Consequently, the book owner may not make
> any
> > > copies of the book, since the right to copy a work is one of the
> exclusive
> > > rights granted under the Copyright Act. This distinction allows a
> copyright
> > > owner to sell copies of a work, or even the original work itself (such
> as a
> > > sculpture), without forfeiting her rights under the Copyright Act.
> > >
> > > The distribution act grants to the copyright holder the exclusive right
> to
> > > make a work available to the public by sale, rental, lease, or lending.
> This
> > > right allows the copyright holder to prevent the distribution of
> unauthorized
> > > copies of a work. In addition, the right allows the copyright holder to
> > > control the first distribution of a particular authorized copy. However,
> the
> > > distribution right is limited by the "first sale doctrine", which states
> that
> > > after the first sale or distribution of a copy, the copyright holder can
> no
> > > longer control what happens to that copy. Thus, after a book has been
> > > purchased at a book store (the first sale of a copy), the copyright
> holder has
> > > no say over how that copy is further distributed. Thus, the book could
> be
> > > rented or resold without the permission of the copyright holder.
> > >
> > > Just my two Cents
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jay Hennigan" <jay@west.net>
> > > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:37 PM
> > > Subject: Re: buy ccbootcamp lab subscription
> > >
> > > > On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Brad Ellis wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > They are licensed by individual user and can not be resold. If you
> would
> > > > > like to purchase our labs, please do so from our website.
> > > >
> > > > Huh? It was my understanding that these materials are not produced in
> > > > electronic form (to reduce unauthorized copying) but instead are
> printed
> > > > like a book or magazine. As much as I can appreciate the effort that
> goes
> > > > into the production of such materials, the resale of copyrighted works
> that
> > > > are on a physical medium such as a book, magazine, videotape, CD,
> EPROM,
> > > > or art on canvas is TTBOMK universally permitted.
> > > >
> > > > I could see where access to a password-protected website could be
> banned
> > > > from being resold, but not physical paper goods.
> > > >
> > > > On the other hand, I'm a CCIE, not a copyright lawyer.
> > > >
> > > > > > Many thanks to all that responded to my VPN question.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I wish to buy a ccie lab subscription, but it's quite expensive on
> > > > > > ccbootcamp. Is there any CCIE that would like to sell their used
> ccie
> > > lab
> > > > > > subscription ?
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Administration - jay@west.net
> > > > NetLojix Communications, Inc. - http://www.netlojix.com/
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