From: Shawn (slloyd2@xxxxxxxxx)
Date: Mon Jan 07 2002 - 17:14:41 GMT-3
Software was one of the few exceptions. A book can be considered
intellectual property, but it's still copyrighted (which means laws do
apply). And in a recent ruling and a to Adobe -- and to license restrictions
throughout the software market -- the Central District Court of California
ruled that software buyers can resell the software even if the End User
License Agreement prohibits it.
The U.S. district court ruling suggests that, as the owner of that copy of
Windows that you got stuck with when you bought your computer, you have the
right to sell it -- just like any other product you might own.
I don't want to discuss this anymore. Do what's in your heart, and
enjoy the remainder of this beautiful day.
Keep up the good research Kurt (smile)
----- Original Message -----
From: "kurt kruegel" <kurt@cybernex.net>
To: "Shawn" <slloyd2@nc.rr.com>
Cc: "Jay Hennigan" <jay@west.net>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: buy ccbootcamp lab subscription
> that application doesn't really make sense to me ?
> your house is not copyrighted material or someone else's intellectual
property.
> to me lab equipment (routers,switches) would be physical property
> (like your house)
> but, (labs)
> would be copyrighted material
> composed of someone else's intellectual property that you are granted a
licence to
>
> use.
>
>
> Shawn wrote:
>
> > That's a very interesting statement. You can buy and sale lab equipment,
etc,
> > but not labs. (Wow)
> > That's like telling me I can't resell my home. No disrespect to Brad or
> > CCBootcamp, but my interpretation of the copyright law is :
> >
> > The U.S. copyright act grants certain exclusive rights to the owner of a
> > copyright in a work. These exclusive rights are different from the
rights
> > given to a person who merely owns a copy of the work. For example, when
a
> > person purchases a book at a bookstore, they have received a property
right in
> > a copy of a copyrighted work (namely, the book). The book owner may then
> > resell the book, or even destroy it, since they own the book. However,
the
> > book's owner did not receive any copyright rights when they purchased
the
> > book. All copyright rights are held by the book's author until the
author
> > specifically transfers them. Consequently, the book owner may not make
any
> > copies of the book, since the right to copy a work is one of the
exclusive
> > rights granted under the Copyright Act. This distinction allows a
copyright
> > owner to sell copies of a work, or even the original work itself (such
as a
> > sculpture), without forfeiting her rights under the Copyright Act.
> >
> > The distribution act grants to the copyright holder the exclusive right
to
> > make a work available to the public by sale, rental, lease, or lending.
This
> > right allows the copyright holder to prevent the distribution of
unauthorized
> > copies of a work. In addition, the right allows the copyright holder to
> > control the first distribution of a particular authorized copy. However,
the
> > distribution right is limited by the "first sale doctrine", which states
that
> > after the first sale or distribution of a copy, the copyright holder can
no
> > longer control what happens to that copy. Thus, after a book has been
> > purchased at a book store (the first sale of a copy), the copyright
holder has
> > no say over how that copy is further distributed. Thus, the book could
be
> > rented or resold without the permission of the copyright holder.
> >
> > Just my two Cents
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jay Hennigan" <jay@west.net>
> > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:37 PM
> > Subject: Re: buy ccbootcamp lab subscription
> >
> > > On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Brad Ellis wrote:
> > >
> > > > They are licensed by individual user and can not be resold. If you
would
> > > > like to purchase our labs, please do so from our website.
> > >
> > > Huh? It was my understanding that these materials are not produced in
> > > electronic form (to reduce unauthorized copying) but instead are
printed
> > > like a book or magazine. As much as I can appreciate the effort that
goes
> > > into the production of such materials, the resale of copyrighted works
that
> > > are on a physical medium such as a book, magazine, videotape, CD,
EPROM,
> > > or art on canvas is TTBOMK universally permitted.
> > >
> > > I could see where access to a password-protected website could be
banned
> > > from being resold, but not physical paper goods.
> > >
> > > On the other hand, I'm a CCIE, not a copyright lawyer.
> > >
> > > > > Many thanks to all that responded to my VPN question.
> > > > >
> > > > > I wish to buy a ccie lab subscription, but it's quite expensive on
> > > > > ccbootcamp. Is there any CCIE that would like to sell their used
ccie
> > lab
> > > > > subscription ?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Administration - jay@west.net
> > > NetLojix Communications, Inc. - http://www.netlojix.com/
> > > WestNet: Connecting you to the planet. 805 884-6323
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