From: McCallum, Robert (Robert.McCallum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Thu Jan 03 2002 - 11:33:39 GMT-3
No Scott the point is that IF this book doesn't break the NDA then it is a comp
lete pile of stinking dung. I am not sure if you have sat the lab or not but I
would say that there are some parts of the lab which are NOT on the website al
ready, and are down to experience. I totally agree with Mr
Perrett in that this is another case of Cisco taking control over a market stri
ved in the quest for knowledge.
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Morris [mailto:swm@emanon.com]
Sent: 03 January 2002 14:19
To: 'warren perrett'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: CCIE Press Lab Book
I'm sure it's like the copyright law on artwork... Three major points of
difference and it's not a copy.
Everything on the CCIE lab exam is ON CCO already. It's just a matter of
putting it in one place. The book doesn't come out and tell you, hey...
Learn this part, but forget about this because it's not on the exam.
Just like everyone on here being a little anal about the NDA... I'm sure if
the book put scenarios/questions that were DEAD ON something on a lab, they
were probably edited and changed. And as far as I'm aware, the
questionnaire that you answer at the beginning of your lab has not been
modified to include, "Did you use the Cisco Press CCIE lab book?"...
So relax. Assume that since it's published by a group so closely tied to
Cisco that it passed the nod of approval and get on with life.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
warren perrett
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 8:26 AM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: CCIE Press Lab Book
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...................
let me get my head around this........ breaking the NDA is a crime
punishible by death in Cisco's world
So what do they do ? Publish a book aimed at CCIE wanabees
It is reasonable to assume then that only 3 things can then be true
1. the book has no value at all as a study guide as it will be within the
NDA and as such not even be able to discuss IP routing protocols. For
example saying protocol X is in the book you could infere that this is on
the Lab and so therefore a break of the CCIE NDA ( don't shout at me
saying your being picky I didn't write the NDA ).
2. Its a paper print of the web site as is the Cisco Desgin and case
stuides book is and is a total waste of money as you can download it for
free.
3. It breaks the NDA .
It has, it claims 5 labs , these by the very nature must be close to or
similar to the real lab. In the UK we have a law called the trades
description act , that means if I buy a box of oranges and when i get
them home I find they are apples I can get my money back as the contents
of the box where not what they where advertised to be...........
I assume in the land of the Laywers AKA the USA this must also be true
So it would lead me to belive the book MUST have some material that
breaks the NDA.
I don't want Cisco to break the NDA , the reason I want this number is so
I can be seen as having achived something NOT so people know I can read a
study guide book and pass an exam like thousands have with the CCDP &
CCNP programs.
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