From: Hotmail (jthao1@xxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Thu Dec 20 2001 - 15:39:01 GMT-3
Tom,
Just a question not a flame. Have you actually taken the 2-day exam and the
1 day exam? I know you said personal experience, but that could mean that
you personally know somebody who did. Was the 1-day your 2nd attempt, 3rd
or 4th? ...
If it is your 3rd or 4th attempt, that would explain why you found it
easier.
Joseph
----- Original Message -----
From: "tom cheung" <tkc9789@hotmail.com>
To: <jonatale@earthlink.net>; <BSantarsiero@greenwichtech.com>
Cc: <mrussell@ccbootcamp.com>; <jay@west.net>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: 1-day lab format
> Don't worry about the format. The 1-day test, based upon personal
> experience, is actually easier that the 2-day. Again, this is from
personal
> experience, no flames please.
>
>
> >From: jonatale@earthlink.net
> >Reply-To: jonatale@earthlink.net
> >To: "Santarsiero, Bill" <BSantarsiero@greenwichtech.com>
> >CC: "'Marc Russell '" <mrussell@ccbootcamp.com>, "''Jay Hennigan '
> >'" <jay@west.net>, "''ccielab@groupstudy.com' '"
> ><ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >Subject: Re: 1-day lab format
> >Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 23:26:48 -0800
> >
> >what is the ave number of tries to pass??? 3???
> >
> >Santarsiero, Bill wrote:
> >
> > > Dude,
> > >
> > > You should back off and concentrate on the content of your labs. Why
> >are
> > > you so worried about format. I used bootcamp labs for content and
> >nothing
> > > more. If the one day format is that different, then people are going
to
> > > have to take it three times for format familiarization. What is so
bad
> >with
> > > that. I had to do it with the two day lab!
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Marc Russell
> > > To: 'Jay Hennigan '
> > > Cc: 'ccielab@groupstudy.com'
> > > Sent: 10/11/01 1:15 AM
> > > Subject: RE: 1-day lab format
> > >
> > > So, do you really feel that this type of knowledge really gives
someone
> > > an
> > > unfair advantage? I think this pushes the NDA to an extreme that
wasn't
> > > intended.
> > >
> > > I suppose next it will be considered NDA to discuss what you ate for
> > > lunch
> > > during your exam.
> > >
> > > My interpretation of technical content would be something more like
this
> > > "Hey did you hear that OSPF virtual-links now count for 90% of your
> > > score,
> > > better know that concept cold." If a CCIE candidate is going to
actually
> > > gain an advantage by knowing the extent of preconfiguration of basic
IP,
> > > interfaces, etc. he/she is going to fail miserably and it is a
> > > non-issue.
> > > How would this information help them pass the test? I guess I just
don't
> > > get
> > > it. Help me see the light.
> > >
> > > I have customers and competitors all going crazy over this 1-day
format
> > > deal. It doesn't make any difference, but it is a marketing issue I
need
> > > to
> > > address. The skills, preparation, and knowledge required will be the
> > > same
> > > for either test format. If I can actually get a customer on the phone
> > > and
> > > explain it to them they usually understand that it doesn't matter.
> > >
> > > It is just a customer perception problem I need to deal with. However,
> > > going
> > > through all of our older labs and updating them will be a lot of work
> > > and I
> > > would prefer to do it only once.
> > >
> > > Marc Russell
> > > www.ccbootcamp.com
> > > mrussell@ccbootcamp.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jay Hennigan
> > > To: Marc Russell
> > > Cc: 'ccielab@groupstudy.com'
> > > Sent: 10/10/01 5:13 PM
> > > Subject: Re: 1-day lab format
> > >
> > > On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Marc Russell wrote:
> > >
> > > > We are looking for feedback from individuals that have actually
taken
> > > the
> > > > new 1-day lab. Please don't break the NDA, we don't want technical
> > > content.
> > > > We just want to know as to what extent the network is
pre-configured.
> > > Is it
> > > > just basic IP addressing and activated interfaces or more complex
> > > issues
> > > > like ISDN setup, frame-relay setup, or basic routing protocols, etc.
> > >
> > > How could revealing that information NOT be an NDA violation? What
one
> > > sees in the lab should stay in the lab. What Cisco chooses to reveal
> > > about it can be found at Cisco's website. The pre-configuration of
the
> > > lab is indeed technical content, is it not?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Administration - jay@west.net
> > > NetLojix Communications, Inc. - http://www.netlojix.com/
> > > WestNet: Connecting you to the planet. 805 884-6323
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