From: Richard Foltz (ccie2b@xxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Thu Nov 08 2001 - 20:56:05 GMT-3
Once again, I took the exam in RTP last friday. The proctor specifically
said they WILL NOT double ding you for points. They do look at your configs
and they will be graded by correct configs. Now if your lower layers dont
work, and you cant test your higher layers then you will probably lose
points for that, however if your configs would work even if the lower layers
arnt, then you would be given the points for competing that task
successfully.
Richard Foltz, CCIE#8339, CCNP-Voice, CCDP, MCSE+I, Network+, A+
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Brown" <Jim.Brown@CaseLogic.com>
To: "'Richard Foltz'" <ccie2b@rfoltz.com>; "Don Dettmore"
<don@donshouse.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 5:31 PM
Subject: RE: how does lab grading work?
> I think you are wrong.
>
> You only receive points for working configurations.
>
> It doesn't matter if you configured it correctly, if it doesn't work
because
> of a dependency on an earlier section then you lose.
>
> This is why I have always heard to patch a section together if you can't
> make it work within the requirements to receive the points on dependant
> sections. I would put money on this.
>
> A rumor I've heard is you can concede points on a section and ask the
> proctors to make it work so you can obtain the points on a dependant
> section. I have no idea if this is true. This may fall into the realm of
> rumors like they won't give you any extra paper or they mess with your
> configs in midstream.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Foltz [mailto:ccie2b@rfoltz.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 3:31 PM
> To: Don Dettmore; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: how does lab grading work?
>
>
> i would have to say that is definately not true.
> Richard Foltz, CCIE#8339, CCNP-Voice, CCDP, MCSE+I, Network+, A+
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Dettmore" <don@donshouse.com>
> To: "Richard Foltz" <ccie2b@rfoltz.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 5:16 PM
> Subject: Re: how does lab grading work?
>
>
> > You see, I thought the opposite from what I read on this forum - that
> > even before they go through the configurations, they run an automated
> > ping script - and if your pings don't work, you automatically fail the
> > section (without anyone ever looking at it). Is that not true?
> >
> > Don Dettmore
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Richard Foltz" <ccie2b@rfoltz.com>
> > To: "Don Dettmore" <don@donshouse.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 4:11 PM
> > Subject: Re: how does lab grading work?
> >
> >
> > > no, the proctor in RTP specifically said they do not double ding you
> > > for points. Richard Foltz, CCIE#8339, CCNP-Voice, CCDP, MCSE+I,
> > > Network+, A+
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Don Dettmore" <don@donshouse.com>
> > > To: "CCIE Lab List" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 4:55 PM
> > > Subject: how does lab grading work?
> > >
> > >
> > > > I have a question on how the lab grading works. I took it
> > > > recently -
> > > failed
> > > > :0( - but was unable to receive a debriefing (long story) I was
> > therefore
> > > > unable to ask questions on what I missed.
> > > >
> > > > I noticed during the lab that getting a section working was often
> > > dependent on
> > > > getting an earlier section working. Well, what if you do the
> > > configurations
> > > > for a section correctly, but your pings don't work due to a
> > > > deficiency
> > of
> > > an
> > > > earlier section. Do you lose credit for both sections????
> > > >
> > > > Let me give you an hypothetical example (this is nothing like what
> > > > was
> > on
> > > my
> > > > exam, just an example):
> > > >
> > > > RouterA ---- RouterB ---- RouterC --- RouterD
> > > >
> > > > Section 1: Configure OSPF on routers A, B, and C so that RouterA
> > > > can
> > ping
> > > > RouterC.
> > > >
> > > > Section 2: Configure ISIS on RouterC and RouterD. Redistribute
> > > > such
> > that
> > > > RouterA can ping RouterD.
> > > >
> > > > For argument's sake, lets say you have trouble with section one
> > > > and
> just
> > > can't
> > > > get RouterA to ping RouterC. BUT, you are comfortable with
> > > > Section 2,
> > and
> > > > configure everything correctly. HOWEVER, because of your failure
> > > > on
> > > section
> > > > 1, RouterA still cannot ping RouterD (thus failing to satisfy
> > > > section
> > 2's
> > > > criteria, despite the fact that you configured it correctly). Do
> > > > you
> > lose
> > > the
> > > > points for section 2 as well (even though you configured it
> correctly)?
> > > >
> > > > Sadly, I had several analogous situations on my lab, and I think
> > > > they
> > > might be
> > > > the reason I failed.
> > > >
> > > > My questions is this: should I have 'kluged' a section I knew I
> > > > was
> > going
> > > to
> > > > miss anyway, just to get another section working? Say, in the
> > > > example
> > > above,
> > > > If you knew you were going to miss section one anyway, would it be
> worth
> > > it to
> > > > put in static routes (even if expressly forbidden) to accomplish
> section
> > 1
> > > > just to get section 2 pings to work?
> > > >
> > > > I'm retaking my lab soon, and I'd like to know if I need to resort
> > > > to
> > > stuff
> > > > like that.
> > > >
> > > > TIA
> > > >
> > > > Don Dettmore
> > > >
> > > > PS: props to anyone who actually made it to the end of this email
> > > > -
> you
> > > are
> > > > truly dedicated (way more than me ;-)
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