From: Brad Ellis (bellis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Thu Nov 08 2001 - 16:25:02 GMT-3
No, actually I believe the NDA applies to anyone that has TAKEN the test.
It doesnt matter if you pass it or not. I'm about 99.9% sure of that.
Otherwise, what's to legally stop anyone from taking the test who fails, and
posting their scenerio on the web (I said legally, not ethically)? Read the
disclaimer page you agree to before taking your test or the agreement you
sign before taking your lab. That form link you have posted below is only
for people who are ALREADY certified and have passed the exam. I'm not sure
why they make you do the form twice (once before and once after)... If you
have any doubts about this, please contact the ccie program at cisco:
ccie@cisco.com
I hate contributing to worthless threads, but I dont want people to think
just because they aren't a CCIE, they can break the NDA.
thanks,
-Brad Ellis
CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
Network Learning Inc
bellis@ccbootcamp.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larson, Chris (Contractor)" <Chris.Larson@ed.gov>
To: "'david'" <barbedwireblack@yahoo.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 2:02 PM
Subject: RE: one day format
> Most people don't really care and won't appreciate you revealing what you
> had in the exam because they feel it lessens the value and hard work of
> others. I agree that there is potential to do that but.......
>
> I don't want to get anything started here, or get flamed all the way to
> hell, however..........
>
> If you reveal that in your lab question number X asked you to do such and
> such you are violating the confidentiality agreement. The NDA actually
> applies only to individuals that are already certitified.
>
> Check it out. Paragraph 8 Section c
>
> http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ccie_program/cert_agreement.pdf
>
>
> Furthermore the confidentiality agreement states that you will not
disclose
> questions or answers in the exam or the content of exam materials. ie.
> Question number x stated this. Or this was my topology, things of that
> nature.
>
> Saying you had to do OSPF with authentication does not break the
> confidentiality agreement (as far as my understanding in dealing w/
Cisco).
> That does not disclose a question, an answer or the content of exam
> materials. Everyone knows you could get OSPF and therefore you need to
know
> all the knobs for OSPF.
>
> If you said in the exam in section 3 I had to do ospf w/ authentication in
> area 0 which was router x, y, and Z then you have a problem.
>
> I have discussed this with Cisco before when assisting with a lab prep
> course and this is basically what they had said. They also stated that
> anything that is already public knowledge is not breaking the
> confidentiality agreement. Therefore since the blueprint for the exam
talks
> about OSPF, saying you had OSPF is not a violation. Again saying you had
> ospf between routers x and z and giving away topology info is!!
>
> That is my understanding. We almost all know what we will get in the exam
> (just watching this list is the best indication). It is the combination of
> items, knobs, technologies and topologies and how they are mixed that
makes
> the exam hard.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: david [mailto:barbedwireblack@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 12:44 PM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: one day format
>
>
> so if i tell somebody that during my lab
> i had to configure ospf authentication
> that would be a NDA violation?
> Cisco says that anything in the 12.1 IOS is
> fair game except for the topics that have been
> excluded.
> So why can't you tell someone that your lab
> included a topic that is in on the DOC CD.
>
> Configuring OSPF authentication can be pretty
> complicated seen a lot of posts on it.
> telling someone would not alleviate the
> time and effort needed to correctly implement
> this feature in a test environment or live production.
>
> I beleive the NDA is supposed to be a way to keep
> people from memorizing the exact test without
> knowing or understanding the technologies.
> To stop things like the MCSE transcender phenomenon.
> Thus guaranteeing some degree of competency
> in the individuals who attain certification.
>
> I beleive it would be impossible to memorize
> scenarios for the CCIE lab without a good
> understanding of the features, caveats, and
> interworkings of the Cisco IOS.
>
> which i beleive the certification is trying
> to discern if you have this knowledge or not.
>
> I could be wrong happens lots of times.
>
> thanks for the feedback,
> David
>
>
>
> --- "@ Home NetMail" <tveillette@home.com> wrote:
> > Absolutely an NDA issue, anything specific, and
> > configuring a router as a
> > tftp is very specific. As long as you are going
> > after the 15th anything in
> > 12.1 can be tested.
> >
> > As for the IP addressing, it will be crystal clear
> > once the proctor brief's
> > you and
> > you get started. IP addressing will be a non-issue
> > at this level, at least
> > so far, as
> > they stated in the CCIE webcast a while back, there
> > aren't any installed
> > issues...
> > YET.
> >
> > -Todd
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: david david <barbedwireblack@yahoo.com>
> > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 10:31 AM
> > Subject: one day format
> >
> >
> > > who has taken the new 1 day format?
> > >
> > > i'm not quite sure what to expect.
> > > they say the ip addressing is already done for
> > you.
> > > does that mean the routers are proconfiged or are
> > > they just on the diagram. not sure.
> > > trying to find out.
> > >
> > > Some people have elluded to obscure topics but
> > > no one will say what kind of topics.
> > > It shouldn't be NDA to say that ( being able
> > > to configure a router as a tftp server was a topic
> > )
> > > Should it?
> > > Do anybody you have any idea what these
> > > obscure topics are.
> > >
> > > thanks in advance,
> > > David
> > >
> > >
> > >
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