From: jonatale@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Fri Oct 26 2001 - 02:07:49 GMT-3
It can, should, and will be automated.
Brian Dennis wrote:
> Jim,
> The lab is already being graded by software. Ask a proctor for yourself. Cisc
o's in-house software is called eProctor. There is still some human review of t
he results but the vast majority of the labs are graded by software.
>
> I did a contract with Cisco in '98 as a Software Tools Automation Engineer wh
ere I developed scripts to automate testing of various IOS features. I can assu
re you that it's not impossible to automate the grading. For example, why would
I need to know what you named your route-map? All I have to do is find the rou
te-map that is applied to the redistribution command or interface to determine
what name you used. As far as prefix-list or access-list it would be easy to pu
t a condition in to check for either one.
>
> Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S)(ISP/Dial) CCSI #98640
> 5G Networks, Inc.
> brian@5g.net
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> > Jim Brown
> > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 4:36 PM
> > To: 'Libone Mhalanga'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: New lab format starting tomorrow!
> >
> >
> > I cannot see how the exam could ever be auto-graded.
> >
> > How could they know what you would name your route-maps or
> > whether you would
> > use prefix/extended access-lists?
> >
> > The permutations are limitless and your work could only be verified via
> > trained eyes.
> >
> > For auto-grading to even be considered, test requirements would need to
> > specify names for route-maps, prefix-lists, access-lists, and the like. At
> > that point a monkey could configure the scenarios if told which
> > commands and
> > technologies to use.
> >
> > Someone made a funny comment regarding the extremely specific design
> > requirements necessary for auto-grading...... We could all become CCCAPE
> > (Cisco Certified Cut And Paste Experts).
> >
> > I would like to purchase one of those San Jose lobby chairs after I
> > successfully complete the lab, just to burn it (you might be able
> > to relate
> > if you have taken the lab in San Jose). I'm starting to hate those damn
> > chairs.
> >
> > Have some sympathy for the proctors. They will now have to deal with twice
> > as many exams to grade, although no arguing, hostility, or
> > removal of upset
> > candidates during the debriefing.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Libone Mhalanga [mailto:libone@digisle.net]
> > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 3:16 PM
> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: New lab format starting tomorrow!
> >
> >
> > Well in my opinion anything that removes human intervention in deciding
> > the outcome of this exam is most welcome !!
> > Proctors are NOT above human failings and prejudices. I certainly found
> > that in Brussels two weeks ago !!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bruce Williams
> > Sent: Mon 10/1/2001 1:17 PM
> > To: John Kaberna; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Cc:
> > Subject: Re: New lab format starting tomorrow!
> >
> >
> >
> > I hope that it does not come to that. I have heard people
> > express their
> > concerns about the CCIE losing it's value and I always thought
> > these
> > concerns were invalid, but I believe that this is something that
> > will
> > devalue the CCIE. If the CCIE goes to Sylvan testing, it will be
> > easier for
> > people to cheat and you will see a dramatic increase in the pass
> > rate.
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Kaberna" <jkaberna@netcginc.com>
> > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 3:56 PM
> > Subject: Re: New lab format starting tomorrow!
> >
> >
> > > Computer based marking is not next. However, Cisco already
> > has plans in
> > the
> > > work to extend testing to other remote Cisco sites and have
> > the proctor be
> > > available over a webcam. The next step is Sylvan testing. I
> > got this
> > info
> > > first hand from a proctor. It's not a rumor. Whether it
> > happens or not I
> > > think is still in discussion.
> > >
> > > John Kaberna
> > > CCIE #7146
> > > NETCG Inc.
> > > Cisco Premier Partner
> > > www.netcginc.com
> > > (415) 750-3800
> > >
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