From: Nick Keir (nickkeir@xxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Sun Oct 14 2001 - 08:38:34 GMT-3
So, $2500 wasted and months of added stress endured just to get a grip on
the format - is that in any way fair??? We're all concentrating on the
content but we'd like to narrow the field a little.
And what about those of us whose first attempt was two days and who now must
retake the exam in the new format?
Nick
----- Original Message -----
From: Santarsiero, Bill <BSantarsiero@greenwichtech.com>
To: 'Marc Russell ' <mrussell@ccbootcamp.com>; ''Jay Hennigan ' '
<jay@west.net>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 3:54 PM
Subject: RE: 1-day lab format
> Dude,
>
> You should back off and concentrate on the content of your labs. Why are
> you so worried about format. I used bootcamp labs for content and nothing
> more. If the one day format is that different, then people are going to
> have to take it three times for format familiarization. What is so bad
with
> that. I had to do it with the two day lab!
>
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marc Russell
> To: 'Jay Hennigan '
> Cc: 'ccielab@groupstudy.com'
> Sent: 10/11/01 1:15 AM
> Subject: RE: 1-day lab format
>
> So, do you really feel that this type of knowledge really gives someone
> an
> unfair advantage? I think this pushes the NDA to an extreme that wasn't
> intended.
>
> I suppose next it will be considered NDA to discuss what you ate for
> lunch
> during your exam.
>
> My interpretation of technical content would be something more like this
> "Hey did you hear that OSPF virtual-links now count for 90% of your
> score,
> better know that concept cold." If a CCIE candidate is going to actually
> gain an advantage by knowing the extent of preconfiguration of basic IP,
> interfaces, etc. he/she is going to fail miserably and it is a
> non-issue.
> How would this information help them pass the test? I guess I just don't
> get
> it. Help me see the light.
>
> I have customers and competitors all going crazy over this 1-day format
> deal. It doesn't make any difference, but it is a marketing issue I need
> to
> address. The skills, preparation, and knowledge required will be the
> same
> for either test format. If I can actually get a customer on the phone
> and
> explain it to them they usually understand that it doesn't matter.
>
> It is just a customer perception problem I need to deal with. However,
> going
> through all of our older labs and updating them will be a lot of work
> and I
> would prefer to do it only once.
>
> Marc Russell
> www.ccbootcamp.com
> mrussell@ccbootcamp.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jay Hennigan
> To: Marc Russell
> Cc: 'ccielab@groupstudy.com'
> Sent: 10/10/01 5:13 PM
> Subject: Re: 1-day lab format
>
> On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Marc Russell wrote:
>
> > We are looking for feedback from individuals that have actually taken
> the
> > new 1-day lab. Please don't break the NDA, we don't want technical
> content.
> > We just want to know as to what extent the network is pre-configured.
> Is it
> > just basic IP addressing and activated interfaces or more complex
> issues
> > like ISDN setup, frame-relay setup, or basic routing protocols, etc.
>
> How could revealing that information NOT be an NDA violation? What one
> sees in the lab should stay in the lab. What Cisco chooses to reveal
> about it can be found at Cisco's website. The pre-configuration of the
> lab is indeed technical content, is it not?
>
> --
> Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Administration - jay@west.net
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