From: watsonf (watsonf@xxxxxxx)
Date: Fri Oct 05 2001 - 11:16:50 GMT-3
Paul,
You did the right thing here!
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Borghese" <pborghese@groupstudy.com>
To: "@ Home NetMail" <tveillette@home.com>; <Monty.Majszak@Level3.com>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: New R&S Exam Tidbits
> I understand that but frankly we do not need the noise. Plus look at his
> other postings. Just designed to enflame.
>
> Paul
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "@ Home NetMail" <tveillette@home.com>
> To: <Monty.Majszak@Level3.com>
> Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:45 PM
> Subject: Re: New R&S Exam Tidbits
>
>
> > And, chicken little, the sky is falling....
> >
> > C'mon Ron is pullin' ya leg, let's not be so gullible.
> >
> > -Todd
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <Monty.Majszak@Level3.com>
> > To: <RCARITHERS@edge2net.net>; <scott.hoover@powerupnetworks.com>;
> > <scking@cisco.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 3:36 PM
> > Subject: RE: New R&S Exam Tidbits
> >
> >
> > > You mind sharing where you heard this Ron?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ron Carithers [mailto:RCARITHERS@edge2net.net]
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 1:27 PM
> > > To: Majszak, Monty; scott.hoover@powerupnetworks.com;
scking@cisco.com;
> > > ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: RE: New R&S Exam Tidbits
> > >
> > >
> > > i heard that cisco is going to discontinue the ccie program.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Monty.Majszak@Level3.com [mailto:Monty.Majszak@Level3.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 11:50 AM
> > > To: scott.hoover@powerupnetworks.com; scking@cisco.com;
> > > ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: RE: New R&S Exam Tidbits
> > >
> > >
> > > I agree, well said Scott!
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Scott Hoover [mailto:scott.hoover@powerupnetworks.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 12:38 PM
> > > To: R. Scott King; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: RE: New R&S Exam Tidbits
> > >
> > >
> > > Best damn post I've seen all day. Especially the last paragraph.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: R. Scott King [mailto:scking@cisco.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 1:10 PM
> > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: RE: New R&S Exam Tidbits
> > >
> > >
> > > Alright, enough already. Here's the skinny on the one-day.
> > >
> > > If you're concerned that it wan't be as hard as the two-day, stop
> > > worrying.
> > > They've taken away all the stuff that any monkey could do and replaced
> > > it
> > > with more in-depth coverage of harder topics (--so stop studying on
how
> > > to
> > > set up a term server. If you didn't know how to do that you don't
need
> > > to
> > > take this test anyway--go get some experience). When I took the
> > > two-day, I
> > > barely missed passing. I recently received my score for the one-day
> > > (less
> > > that 24 hours later) and it wasn't even close. In other words, this
> > > test is
> > > harder.
> > >
> > > BGP and DLSW are worth twice as many points as on the two-day, and
> > > there's a
> > > reason for it. That's probably all I can say about that without
> > > violating
> > > NDA.
> > >
> > > The time crunch was bad on the two day but now it's a killer. There
> > > just
> > > isn't enough time to do all of it unless you know it cold. Don't even
> > > think
> > > you're going to look anything up on the CD, it isn't gonna happen.
> > >
> > > Troubleshooting is NOT gone, it just takes a different form now. If I
> > > hear
> > > one more person complain that troubleshooting isn't on the test
anymore
> > > I'm
> > > personally going to fly to his hometown and flog him with a wet mop.
> > >
> > > Yes, you see the whole test on the first day and that could lead to
> > > brain
> > > dumps but there were plently of guys doing that already who had made
it
> > > to
> > > the second day. This is not a new problem.
> > >
> > > My personal take on this situation, John, is that now that you have
your
> > > number you want the testing to stop so that no one else gets it.
That's
> > > not
> > > going to happen. Cisco had a huge problem with backlog and I think
this
> > > is
> > > as good a solution as they could have come up with. Cut the time
> > > required
> > > in half, make it harder, fail as many people but get them through the
> > > system
> > > in half the time so you can accomodate more.
> > >
> > > Bottom line, the test is just as hard as it ever was. If you've
already
> > > got
> > > the CCIE and you don't have anything to contribute to the success of
> > > those
> > > of us who are still studying for it, get off this list and find
> > > somewhere
> > > else to vent. This is a forum for test takers, not industry analysts.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Scott King
> > >
> > > P.S. Flames will be deleted and not answered. I don't have time for
> > > whiners.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: John Kaberna [mailto:jkaberna@netcginc.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 4:59 PM
> > > To: Jim Brown; R. Scott King; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: Re: New R&S Exam Tidbits
> > >
> > >
> > > The difference is that all the prior changes were to make it harder
and
> > > adjust to new technologies. This change is not for the same reason.
> > > This
> > > change is to make the lab available to more candidates. That is not a
> > > bad
> > > thing. But, I think that more racks should have been added and a
couple
> > > more proctors hired. Are we really to believe this would be that
> > > difficult?
> > > Do you guys really buy that line from Cisco that they can't find a
> > > couple
> > > more proctors? There are quite a few unemployed CCIE's that I
> > > personally
> > > know of. I'm sure they wouldn't mind a six figure job at Cisco when
the
> > > stock is nice and low.
> > >
> > > John Kaberna
> > > CCIE #7146
> > > NETCG Inc.
> > > Cisco Premier Partner
> > > www.netcginc.com
> > > (415) 750-3800
> > >
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