From: Paul Borghese (pborghese@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Thu Oct 04 2001 - 18:46:44 GMT-3
I understand that but frankly we do not need the noise. Plus look at his
other postings. Just designed to enflame.
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "@ Home NetMail" <tveillette@home.com>
To: <Monty.Majszak@Level3.com>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: New R&S Exam Tidbits
> And, chicken little, the sky is falling....
>
> C'mon Ron is pullin' ya leg, let's not be so gullible.
>
> -Todd
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Monty.Majszak@Level3.com>
> To: <RCARITHERS@edge2net.net>; <scott.hoover@powerupnetworks.com>;
> <scking@cisco.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 3:36 PM
> Subject: RE: New R&S Exam Tidbits
>
>
> > You mind sharing where you heard this Ron?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ron Carithers [mailto:RCARITHERS@edge2net.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 1:27 PM
> > To: Majszak, Monty; scott.hoover@powerupnetworks.com; scking@cisco.com;
> > ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: New R&S Exam Tidbits
> >
> >
> > i heard that cisco is going to discontinue the ccie program.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Monty.Majszak@Level3.com [mailto:Monty.Majszak@Level3.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 11:50 AM
> > To: scott.hoover@powerupnetworks.com; scking@cisco.com;
> > ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: New R&S Exam Tidbits
> >
> >
> > I agree, well said Scott!
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Scott Hoover [mailto:scott.hoover@powerupnetworks.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 12:38 PM
> > To: R. Scott King; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: New R&S Exam Tidbits
> >
> >
> > Best damn post I've seen all day. Especially the last paragraph.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: R. Scott King [mailto:scking@cisco.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 1:10 PM
> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: New R&S Exam Tidbits
> >
> >
> > Alright, enough already. Here's the skinny on the one-day.
> >
> > If you're concerned that it wan't be as hard as the two-day, stop
> > worrying.
> > They've taken away all the stuff that any monkey could do and replaced
> > it
> > with more in-depth coverage of harder topics (--so stop studying on how
> > to
> > set up a term server. If you didn't know how to do that you don't need
> > to
> > take this test anyway--go get some experience). When I took the
> > two-day, I
> > barely missed passing. I recently received my score for the one-day
> > (less
> > that 24 hours later) and it wasn't even close. In other words, this
> > test is
> > harder.
> >
> > BGP and DLSW are worth twice as many points as on the two-day, and
> > there's a
> > reason for it. That's probably all I can say about that without
> > violating
> > NDA.
> >
> > The time crunch was bad on the two day but now it's a killer. There
> > just
> > isn't enough time to do all of it unless you know it cold. Don't even
> > think
> > you're going to look anything up on the CD, it isn't gonna happen.
> >
> > Troubleshooting is NOT gone, it just takes a different form now. If I
> > hear
> > one more person complain that troubleshooting isn't on the test anymore
> > I'm
> > personally going to fly to his hometown and flog him with a wet mop.
> >
> > Yes, you see the whole test on the first day and that could lead to
> > brain
> > dumps but there were plently of guys doing that already who had made it
> > to
> > the second day. This is not a new problem.
> >
> > My personal take on this situation, John, is that now that you have your
> > number you want the testing to stop so that no one else gets it. That's
> > not
> > going to happen. Cisco had a huge problem with backlog and I think this
> > is
> > as good a solution as they could have come up with. Cut the time
> > required
> > in half, make it harder, fail as many people but get them through the
> > system
> > in half the time so you can accomodate more.
> >
> > Bottom line, the test is just as hard as it ever was. If you've already
> > got
> > the CCIE and you don't have anything to contribute to the success of
> > those
> > of us who are still studying for it, get off this list and find
> > somewhere
> > else to vent. This is a forum for test takers, not industry analysts.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Scott King
> >
> > P.S. Flames will be deleted and not answered. I don't have time for
> > whiners.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Kaberna [mailto:jkaberna@netcginc.com]
> > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 4:59 PM
> > To: Jim Brown; R. Scott King; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: New R&S Exam Tidbits
> >
> >
> > The difference is that all the prior changes were to make it harder and
> > adjust to new technologies. This change is not for the same reason.
> > This
> > change is to make the lab available to more candidates. That is not a
> > bad
> > thing. But, I think that more racks should have been added and a couple
> > more proctors hired. Are we really to believe this would be that
> > difficult?
> > Do you guys really buy that line from Cisco that they can't find a
> > couple
> > more proctors? There are quite a few unemployed CCIE's that I
> > personally
> > know of. I'm sure they wouldn't mind a six figure job at Cisco when the
> > stock is nice and low.
> >
> > John Kaberna
> > CCIE #7146
> > NETCG Inc.
> > Cisco Premier Partner
> > www.netcginc.com
> > (415) 750-3800
> >
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