From: Paul Borghese (pborghese@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Thu Oct 04 2001 - 18:02:12 GMT-3
This person has been removed from the list. Not just for this post but
because of a rash of bonehead postings that are designed to cause noise and
controversy.
Do to suggestions/complaints I have received, we will be more diligent
removing people who should not be on this list.
Take care,
Paul Borghese
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Carithers" <RCARITHERS@edge2net.net>
To: <Monty.Majszak@Level3.com>; <scott.hoover@powerupnetworks.com>;
<scking@cisco.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 3:26 PM
Subject: RE: New R&S Exam Tidbits
> i heard that cisco is going to discontinue the ccie program.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Monty.Majszak@Level3.com [mailto:Monty.Majszak@Level3.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 11:50 AM
> To: scott.hoover@powerupnetworks.com; scking@cisco.com;
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: New R&S Exam Tidbits
>
>
> I agree, well said Scott!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Hoover [mailto:scott.hoover@powerupnetworks.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 12:38 PM
> To: R. Scott King; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: New R&S Exam Tidbits
>
>
> Best damn post I've seen all day. Especially the last paragraph.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: R. Scott King [mailto:scking@cisco.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 1:10 PM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: New R&S Exam Tidbits
>
>
> Alright, enough already. Here's the skinny on the one-day.
>
> If you're concerned that it wan't be as hard as the two-day, stop
> worrying.
> They've taken away all the stuff that any monkey could do and replaced
> it
> with more in-depth coverage of harder topics (--so stop studying on how
> to
> set up a term server. If you didn't know how to do that you don't need
> to
> take this test anyway--go get some experience). When I took the
> two-day, I
> barely missed passing. I recently received my score for the one-day
> (less
> that 24 hours later) and it wasn't even close. In other words, this
> test is
> harder.
>
> BGP and DLSW are worth twice as many points as on the two-day, and
> there's a
> reason for it. That's probably all I can say about that without
> violating
> NDA.
>
> The time crunch was bad on the two day but now it's a killer. There
> just
> isn't enough time to do all of it unless you know it cold. Don't even
> think
> you're going to look anything up on the CD, it isn't gonna happen.
>
> Troubleshooting is NOT gone, it just takes a different form now. If I
> hear
> one more person complain that troubleshooting isn't on the test anymore
> I'm
> personally going to fly to his hometown and flog him with a wet mop.
>
> Yes, you see the whole test on the first day and that could lead to
> brain
> dumps but there were plently of guys doing that already who had made it
> to
> the second day. This is not a new problem.
>
> My personal take on this situation, John, is that now that you have your
> number you want the testing to stop so that no one else gets it. That's
> not
> going to happen. Cisco had a huge problem with backlog and I think this
> is
> as good a solution as they could have come up with. Cut the time
> required
> in half, make it harder, fail as many people but get them through the
> system
> in half the time so you can accomodate more.
>
> Bottom line, the test is just as hard as it ever was. If you've already
> got
> the CCIE and you don't have anything to contribute to the success of
> those
> of us who are still studying for it, get off this list and find
> somewhere
> else to vent. This is a forum for test takers, not industry analysts.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott King
>
> P.S. Flames will be deleted and not answered. I don't have time for
> whiners.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Kaberna [mailto:jkaberna@netcginc.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 4:59 PM
> To: Jim Brown; R. Scott King; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: New R&S Exam Tidbits
>
>
> The difference is that all the prior changes were to make it harder and
> adjust to new technologies. This change is not for the same reason.
> This
> change is to make the lab available to more candidates. That is not a
> bad
> thing. But, I think that more racks should have been added and a couple
> more proctors hired. Are we really to believe this would be that
> difficult?
> Do you guys really buy that line from Cisco that they can't find a
> couple
> more proctors? There are quite a few unemployed CCIE's that I
> personally
> know of. I'm sure they wouldn't mind a six figure job at Cisco when the
> stock is nice and low.
>
> John Kaberna
> CCIE #7146
> NETCG Inc.
> Cisco Premier Partner
> www.netcginc.com
> (415) 750-3800
>
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