From: Donald B Johnson jr (dbjohnson@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Thu Oct 04 2001 - 16:34:52 GMT-3
Frank
I dont understand your logic that somehow you don't understand networking
because you alias commands. Yet you use shortened commands wouldn't the
conclusion of your logic dictate that only typing full commands (every
stinking letter) make you a "good networker". Could you shed some light on
this for us. Confusion - ahh if you are looking at the alias list in run
when trying to troubleshoot a BGP problem, yeah your confused but it aint
the alias lists fault.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Kim" <frank@comegetus.com>
To: "Fred Danson" <fred190044@hotmail.com>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: RE: Alias list
> Fred,
> You're contradicting yourself with your first statement. Also, if a
> person is able type at 100wpm, then I don't think s/he will be using
> aliases. For a fast typist, it will take less than a second to type 'sh
> ip bgp' whether he is using aliases or not. To answer your question about
> why is putting a long alias list into a router creates confusion. Well,
> when a person is in a stressed environment, he should only see what needs
> to be seen. Any other garbages are considered confusion. And again, this
> is another personal opinion. And you asked how is using aliases relevant
> to being accurate on the lab test. The answer is 'short cut' is always a
> wrong paradigm. If you type fast and u know what you're doing, why the
> hell would you want to use aliases? Plus, there is a chance of typo if
> you type about 50 line of aliases.
>
>
> My advice in learning networking is just like how we normally
> troubleshoot network problems using one layer to another such as
> physical--->datalink--->network...
>
> So to learn networking, first of all, you need to know how to operate a
> computer. In order to operate a computer, you need to be able to
> instruct the computer with input commands by typing at a reasonable
> speed. I'm not trying to put anyone down here. But most of us here
> have been in the networking industry for years. So again my advice is,
> if you've been working with computers/networks for many years and you
> attempt to take the lab with one finger poking style, I suggest that you
> go download a 'learn how to type' software and practice your typing
> skills until you think you're proficient. Afterall, router's ios is
> based on command line, if you can't type fast, you're behind
> game. Jumping into my conclusion, again, this is my personal opinion,
> if you type fast and you know what your'e doing, then forget about
> spending the 5mins to type down all the aliases and cut/paste it into
> all of your routers. Just save the 5mins and hit the lab directly.
>
>
> -Frank
>
> On Wed,
> 3 Oct 2001, Fred Danson wrote:
>
> > It really is a matter of personal opinion, but I strongly believe that
> > aliases are a huge help.
> >
> > If you can type at the rate of 100wpm, you still would save time by
having
> > an alias list. Each individual task probably took me about 20% less time
to
> > complete because of my aliases. And since the list only takes me about 2
> > minutes to type up, I have extra time in the end to troubleshoot
problems.
> > Not as much time is spent typing.
> >
> > One thing I don't understand is how "putting a long list of alias into
the
> > running-config will cause much more confusion than there already is".
The
> > section in the running-config that contains the aliases is towards the
> > bottom and is seperate from all other commands. It really doesn't cause
any
> > confusion.
> >
> > Also, when you say, "In the lab, you want to be as accurate as
possible",
> > what do you mean? I don't understand how using the full command is more
> > accurate than aliases.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > >From: Frank Kim <frank@comegetus.com>
> > >Reply-To: Frank Kim <frank@comegetus.com>
> > >To: vasudeva S <vasu_si@rediffmail.com>
> > >CC: Dennis Hess <dennis.hess@ZapMedia.com>, "'Fred Danson'"
> > ><fred190044@hotmail.com>, ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > >Subject: Re: RE: Alias list
> > >Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 16:50:38 -0700 (PDT)
> > >
> > >Vasu,
> > >I agree with you. If you can bang on the keyboard at a speed of
100wpm,
> > >then why worry about aliases? Also, putting a long list of alias into
the
> > >running-config will cause much more confusion than there already is. I
> > >would think aliases are useful in a production router that you log in
and
> > >do you day to day tasks. In the lab, you want to be as accurate as
> > >possible.
> > >
> > >-Frank
> > >
> > > On 3 Oct 2001, vasudeva S wrote:
> > >
> > > > Guys,
> > > >
> > > > I think you would more time to create that sort of huge alias list
in
> > >the lab that timing out those commands. My personal advice would be to
use
> > >the commands directly if you can type at a reasonable speed.
> > > >
> > > > Vasu
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 03 Oct 2001 Dennis Hess wrote :
> > > > > Nice work Brian... Thanks for sharing!
> > > > >
> > > > > Dennis
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Fred Danson [mailto:fred190044@hotmail.com]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 1:10 PM
> > > > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > > Subject: Alias list
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Here's my alias list. Just remember, any command that
> > > > > you're going to use
> > > > > atleast 4-5 times during the lab is probably good to
> > > > > have on your alias
> > > > > list.
> > > > >
> > > > > Brian Dignan
> > > > > CCIE# 8248
> > > > >
> > > > > en
> > > > > conf t
> > > > > no ip domain-lookup
> > > > > line con 0
> > > > > exec-t 0 0
> > > > > logg sync
> > > > > logg buff 55000
> > > > > ali configu e ex
> > > > > ali configu b router bgp
> > > > > ali configu ei router eigrp
> > > > > ali configu i router igrp
> > > > > ali configu o router ospf
> > > > > ali configu r router rip
> > > > > ali configu ipxe ipx router eigrp
> > > > > ali configu ipxn ipx router nlsp
> > > > > ali configu ipxr ipx router rip
> > > > > ali configu ir ipx routing
> > > > > ali e c conf t
> > > > > ali e ci clear ip route *
> > > > > ali e cib clear ip bgp
> > > > > ali e cix clear ipx route *
> > > > > ali e cint clear ip nat trans *
> > > > > ali e cl clear logg
> > > > > ali e dbu debug ip bgp upd
> > > > > ali e dbk debug ip bgp keep
> > > > > ali e dbe debug ip bgp even
> > > > > ali e dig debug ip igrp trans
> > > > > ali e din debug ip nat
> > > > > ali e dio debug ip ospf
> > > > > ali e dip debug ip packet
> > > > > ali e dr debug ip rip
> > > > > ali e s show ip int brief
> > > > > ali e sb show ip bgp
> > > > > ali e sbn show ip bgp nei
> > > > > ali e sbs show ip bgp summ
> > > > > ali e sce show cry engine conn a
> > > > > ali e sdp show dlsw peer
> > > > > ali e sdr show dlsw reach
> > > > > ali e sen show ip eig nei
> > > > > ali e sfp show frame pvc
> > > > > ali e sfm show frame map
> > > > > ali e si show ip route
> > > > > ali e sim show ip mroute
> > > > > ali e sint show ip nat trans
> > > > > ali e sis show isdn status
> > > > > ali e six show ipx route
> > > > > ali e sixei show ipx eig int
> > > > > ali e sixen show ipx eig nei
> > > > > ali e sl show logg
> > > > >
> > > > show ip ospf int
> > > > > ali e son show ip ospf nei
> > > > > ali e sr show run
> > > > > ali e sx show ipx int brief
> > > > > ali e sxi show ipx int
> > > > > ali interface cr clock rate
> > > > > ali interface e ex
> > > > > ali interface i ip ad
> > > > > ali interface in ipx netw
> > > > > ali interface n no shut
> > > > > ali ipx-r n netw
> > > > > ali ipx-r nn no netw
> > > > > ali router n netw
> > > > > ali su i ip ad
> > > > > ali su in ipx netw
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "Michael Snyder" <msnyder@ldd.net>
> > > > > >To: "Fred Danson" <fred190044@hotmail.com>
> > > > > >Subject: Re: CCIE# 8248
> > > > > >Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 08:05:14 -0500
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Can you post your alias list? The one I use only has
> > > > > about 20 lines.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >From: "Fred Danson" <fred190044@hotmail.com>
> > > > > >To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 10:51 PM
> > > > > >Subject: CCIE# 8248
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Good evening!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > After seven months of grueling and intense study, I
> > > > > managed to pass the
> > > > > >CCIE
> > > > > > > Lab on Monday, October 1st at San Jose.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My study routine was very similar to many others',
> > > > > so I won't repeat
> > > > > > > everything that has been said many times in the
> > > > > past. One thing that few
> > > > > > > people mention and that I highly advise others to
> > > > > use during the test
> > > > > >are
> > > > > > > aliases for frequently used commands. A good way to
> > > > > get into the habit
> > > > > >of
> > > > > > > using aliases is to first commit them all to memory,
> > > > > and then to type
> > > > > >the
> > > > > > > complete list before starting any sort of practice
> > > > > lab. Also, get to the
> > > > > > > point of where you can type out the entire list (my
> > > > > list had about 60
> > > > > >lines)
> > > > > > > in a couple minutes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Another thing that I found very helpful was having
> > > > > my own rack to
> > > > > >practice
> > > > > > > on. Even if you don't have enough money saved up
> > > > > for entire rack of
> > > > > > > equipment, you can always open a few credit card
> > > > > accounts :). The though
> > > > > >of
> > > > > > > debt really scared me when I first started buying
> > > > > the equipment, but as
> > > > > >I
> > > > > > > look back on the decision that I made, I have
> > > > > a
> > > > of it as an investment.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am also currently searching for a new and more
> > > > > challenging job. If
> > > > > >anyone
> > > > > > > knows of any open positions, I'd love to hear about
> > > > > them. Since I'm
> > > > > >thinking
> > > > > > > about persuing the CCIE C&S cert, an ISP would be
> > > > > ideal, but I'm still
> > > > > >open
> > > > > > > to other types of companies.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In addition, this was my first attempt, so I have
> > > > > no way of comparing
> > > > > >the
> > > > > > > one day lab with the two day lab. Also, please
> > > > > don't email me with
> > > > > >questions
> > > > > > > about the one day lab. I don't want to risk
> > > > > breaking the NDA.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Good luck everyone!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > Brian Dignan
> > > > > > > CCIE# 8248
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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