From: Jason Gardiner (gardiner@xxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Wed Oct 03 2001 - 23:29:33 GMT-3
I think that it is a matter of personal preference whether someone uses an
alias list or not. Arguing is not going to change that. I know how to
make one, but I do not practice with it. For that would lead to relying
on it. And it would be my luck to have Cisco disallow its use starting
with my exam :).
I do admit that I am a bit hypocritical, however. I've been using puTTY
for my terminal at home. I like its copy and paste via mouse buttons that
is similar to X terminal programs. But since it can't be used in the lab
AFAIK, I'm going to switch back to Windows Telnet/Hyperterm to regain
familiarity.
<Rant>
Cisco should allow use of Unix/Linux based workstations in the lab. They
are used in the field quite often and many people are actually more
accustomed to dealing with XTerm. Windows terminal sucks.
</Rant>
Thanks,
Jason Gardiner
Supervisor, Engineering Services
Sprint E|Solutions
"You can swim all day in the Sea of Knowledge and
still come out completely dry. Most people do."
- Norton Juster
On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, Frank Kim wrote:
> Fred,
> You're contradicting yourself with your first statement. Also, if a
> person is able type at 100wpm, then I don't think s/he will be using
> aliases. For a fast typist, it will take less than a second to type 'sh
> ip bgp' whether he is using aliases or not. To answer your question about
> why is putting a long alias list into a router creates confusion. Well,
> when a person is in a stressed environment, he should only see what needs
> to be seen. Any other garbages are considered confusion. And again, this
> is another personal opinion. And you asked how is using aliases relevant
> to being accurate on the lab test. The answer is 'short cut' is always a
> wrong paradigm. If you type fast and u know what you're doing, why the
> hell would you want to use aliases? Plus, there is a chance of typo if
> you type about 50 line of aliases.
>
>
> My advice in learning networking is just like how we normally
> troubleshoot network problems using one layer to another such as
> physical--->datalink--->network...
>
> So to learn networking, first of all, you need to know how to operate a
> computer. In order to operate a computer, you need to be able to
> instruct the computer with input commands by typing at a reasonable
> speed. I'm not trying to put anyone down here. But most of us here
> have been in the networking industry for years. So again my advice is,
> if you've been working with computers/networks for many years and you
> attempt to take the lab with one finger poking style, I suggest that you
> go download a 'learn how to type' software and practice your typing
> skills until you think you're proficient. Afterall, router's ios is
> based on command line, if you can't type fast, you're behind
> game. Jumping into my conclusion, again, this is my personal opinion,
> if you type fast and you know what your'e doing, then forget about
> spending the 5mins to type down all the aliases and cut/paste it into
> all of your routers. Just save the 5mins and hit the lab directly.
>
>
> -Frank
>
> On Wed,
> 3 Oct 2001, Fred Danson wrote:
>
> > It really is a matter of personal opinion, but I strongly believe that
> > aliases are a huge help.
> >
> > If you can type at the rate of 100wpm, you still would save time by having
> > an alias list. Each individual task probably took me about 20% less time to
> > complete because of my aliases. And since the list only takes me about 2
> > minutes to type up, I have extra time in the end to troubleshoot problems.
> > Not as much time is spent typing.
> >
> > One thing I don't understand is how "putting a long list of alias into the
> > running-config will cause much more confusion than there already is". The
> > section in the running-config that contains the aliases is towards the
> > bottom and is seperate from all other commands. It really doesn't cause any
> > confusion.
> >
> > Also, when you say, "In the lab, you want to be as accurate as possible",
> > what do you mean? I don't understand how using the full command is more
> > accurate than aliases.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > >From: Frank Kim <frank@comegetus.com>
> > >Reply-To: Frank Kim <frank@comegetus.com>
> > >To: vasudeva S <vasu_si@rediffmail.com>
> > >CC: Dennis Hess <dennis.hess@ZapMedia.com>, "'Fred Danson'"
> > ><fred190044@hotmail.com>, ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > >Subject: Re: RE: Alias list
> > >Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 16:50:38 -0700 (PDT)
> > >
> > >Vasu,
> > >I agree with you. If you can bang on the keyboard at a speed of 100wpm,
> > >then why worry about aliases? Also, putting a long list of alias into the
> > >running-config will cause much more confusion than there already is. I
> > >would think aliases are useful in a production router that you log in and
> > >do you day to day tasks. In the lab, you want to be as accurate as
> > >possible.
> > >
> > >-Frank
> > >
> > > On 3 Oct 2001, vasudeva S wrote:
> > >
> > > > Guys,
> > > >
> > > > I think you would more time to create that sort of huge alias list in
> > >the lab that timing out those commands. My personal advice would be to us
e
> > >the commands directly if you can type at a reasonable speed.
> > > >
> > > > Vasu
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 03 Oct 2001 Dennis Hess wrote :
> > > > > Nice work Brian... Thanks for sharing!
> > > > >
> > > > > Dennis
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Fred Danson [mailto:fred190044@hotmail.com]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 1:10 PM
> > > > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > > Subject: Alias list
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Here's my alias list. Just remember, any command that
> > > > > you're going to use
> > > > > atleast 4-5 times during the lab is probably good to
> > > > > have on your alias
> > > > > list.
> > > > >
> > > > > Brian Dignan
> > > > > CCIE# 8248
> > > > >
> > > > > en
> > > > > conf t
> > > > > no ip domain-lookup
> > > > > line con 0
> > > > > exec-t 0 0
> > > > > logg sync
> > > > > logg buff 55000
> > > > > ali configu e ex
> > > > > ali configu b router bgp
> > > > > ali configu ei router eigrp
> > > > > ali configu i router igrp
> > > > > ali configu o router ospf
> > > > > ali configu r router rip
> > > > > ali configu ipxe ipx router eigrp
> > > > > ali configu ipxn ipx router nlsp
> > > > > ali configu ipxr ipx router rip
> > > > > ali configu ir ipx routing
> > > > > ali e c conf t
> > > > > ali e ci clear ip route *
> > > > > ali e cib clear ip bgp
> > > > > ali e cix clear ipx route *
> > > > > ali e cint clear ip nat trans *
> > > > > ali e cl clear logg
> > > > > ali e dbu debug ip bgp upd
> > > > > ali e dbk debug ip bgp keep
> > > > > ali e dbe debug ip bgp even
> > > > > ali e dig debug ip igrp trans
> > > > > ali e din debug ip nat
> > > > > ali e dio debug ip ospf
> > > > > ali e dip debug ip packet
> > > > > ali e dr debug ip rip
> > > > > ali e s show ip int brief
> > > > > ali e sb show ip bgp
> > > > > ali e sbn show ip bgp nei
> > > > > ali e sbs show ip bgp summ
> > > > > ali e sce show cry engine conn a
> > > > > ali e sdp show dlsw peer
> > > > > ali e sdr show dlsw reach
> > > > > ali e sen show ip eig nei
> > > > > ali e sfp show frame pvc
> > > > > ali e sfm show frame map
> > > > > ali e si show ip route
> > > > > ali e sim show ip mroute
> > > > > ali e sint show ip nat trans
> > > > > ali e sis show isdn status
> > > > > ali e six show ipx route
> > > > > ali e sixei show ipx eig int
> > > > > ali e sixen show ipx eig nei
> > > > > ali e sl show logg
> > > > >
> > > > show ip ospf int
> > > > > ali e son show ip ospf nei
> > > > > ali e sr show run
> > > > > ali e sx show ipx int brief
> > > > > ali e sxi show ipx int
> > > > > ali interface cr clock rate
> > > > > ali interface e ex
> > > > > ali interface i ip ad
> > > > > ali interface in ipx netw
> > > > > ali interface n no shut
> > > > > ali ipx-r n netw
> > > > > ali ipx-r nn no netw
> > > > > ali router n netw
> > > > > ali su i ip ad
> > > > > ali su in ipx netw
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "Michael Snyder" <msnyder@ldd.net>
> > > > > >To: "Fred Danson" <fred190044@hotmail.com>
> > > > > >Subject: Re: CCIE# 8248
> > > > > >Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 08:05:14 -0500
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Can you post your alias list? The one I use only has
> > > > > about 20 lines.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >From: "Fred Danson" <fred190044@hotmail.com>
> > > > > >To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 10:51 PM
> > > > > >Subject: CCIE# 8248
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Good evening!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > After seven months of grueling and intense study, I
> > > > > managed to pass the
> > > > > >CCIE
> > > > > > > Lab on Monday, October 1st at San Jose.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My study routine was very similar to many others',
> > > > > so I won't repeat
> > > > > > > everything that has been said many times in the
> > > > > past. One thing that few
> > > > > > > people mention and that I highly advise others to
> > > > > use during the test
> > > > > >are
> > > > > > > aliases for frequently used commands. A good way to
> > > > > get into the habit
> > > > > >of
> > > > > > > using aliases is to first commit them all to memory,
> > > > > and then to type
> > > > > >the
> > > > > > > complete list before starting any sort of practice
> > > > > lab. Also, get to the
> > > > > > > point of where you can type out the entire list (my
> > > > > list had about 60
> > > > > >lines)
> > > > > > > in a couple minutes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Another thing that I found very helpful was having
> > > > > my own rack to
> > > > > >practice
> > > > > > > on. Even if you don't have enough money saved up
> > > > > for entire rack of
> > > > > > > equipment, you can always open a few credit card
> > > > > accounts :). The though
> > > > > >of
> > > > > > > debt really scared me when I first started buying
> > > > > the equipment, but as
> > > > > >I
> > > > > > > look back on the decision that I made, I have
> > > > > a
> > > > of it as an investment.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am also currently searching for a new and more
> > > > > challenging job. If
> > > > > >anyone
> > > > > > > knows of any open positions, I'd love to hear about
> > > > > them. Since I'm
> > > > > >thinking
> > > > > > > about persuing the CCIE C&S cert, an ISP would be
> > > > > ideal, but I'm still
> > > > > >open
> > > > > > > to other types of companies.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In addition, this was my first attempt, so I have
> > > > > no way of comparing
> > > > > >the
> > > > > > > one day lab with the two day lab. Also, please
> > > > > don't email me with
> > > > > >questions
> > > > > > > about the one day lab. I don't want to risk
> > > > > breaking the NDA.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Good luck everyone!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > Brian Dignan
> > > > > > > CCIE# 8248
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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