From: Brian Dennis (brian@xxxxxx)
Date: Mon Oct 01 2001 - 21:25:26 GMT-3
Jim,
The lab is already being graded by software. Ask a proctor for yourself. Cisco'
s in-house software is called eProctor. There is still some human review of the
results but the vast majority of the labs are graded by software.
I did a contract with Cisco in '98 as a Software Tools Automation Engineer wher
e I developed scripts to automate testing of various IOS features. I can assure
you that it's not impossible to automate the grading. For example, why would I
need to know what you named your route-map? All I have to do is find the route
-map that is applied to the redistribution command or interface to determine wh
at name you used. As far as prefix-list or access-list it would be easy to put
a condition in to check for either one.
Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S)(ISP/Dial) CCSI #98640
5G Networks, Inc.
brian@5g.net
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> Jim Brown
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 4:36 PM
> To: 'Libone Mhalanga'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: New lab format starting tomorrow!
>
>
> I cannot see how the exam could ever be auto-graded.
>
> How could they know what you would name your route-maps or
> whether you would
> use prefix/extended access-lists?
>
> The permutations are limitless and your work could only be verified via
> trained eyes.
>
> For auto-grading to even be considered, test requirements would need to
> specify names for route-maps, prefix-lists, access-lists, and the like. At
> that point a monkey could configure the scenarios if told which
> commands and
> technologies to use.
>
> Someone made a funny comment regarding the extremely specific design
> requirements necessary for auto-grading...... We could all become CCCAPE
> (Cisco Certified Cut And Paste Experts).
>
> I would like to purchase one of those San Jose lobby chairs after I
> successfully complete the lab, just to burn it (you might be able
> to relate
> if you have taken the lab in San Jose). I'm starting to hate those damn
> chairs.
>
> Have some sympathy for the proctors. They will now have to deal with twice
> as many exams to grade, although no arguing, hostility, or
> removal of upset
> candidates during the debriefing.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Libone Mhalanga [mailto:libone@digisle.net]
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 3:16 PM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: New lab format starting tomorrow!
>
>
> Well in my opinion anything that removes human intervention in deciding
> the outcome of this exam is most welcome !!
> Proctors are NOT above human failings and prejudices. I certainly found
> that in Brussels two weeks ago !!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bruce Williams
> Sent: Mon 10/1/2001 1:17 PM
> To: John Kaberna; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: New lab format starting tomorrow!
>
>
>
> I hope that it does not come to that. I have heard people
> express their
> concerns about the CCIE losing it's value and I always thought
> these
> concerns were invalid, but I believe that this is something that
> will
> devalue the CCIE. If the CCIE goes to Sylvan testing, it will be
> easier for
> people to cheat and you will see a dramatic increase in the pass
> rate.
>
> Bruce
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Kaberna" <jkaberna@netcginc.com>
> To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 3:56 PM
> Subject: Re: New lab format starting tomorrow!
>
>
> > Computer based marking is not next. However, Cisco already
> has plans in
> the
> > work to extend testing to other remote Cisco sites and have
> the proctor be
> > available over a webcam. The next step is Sylvan testing. I
> got this
> info
> > first hand from a proctor. It's not a rumor. Whether it
> happens or not I
> > think is still in discussion.
> >
> > John Kaberna
> > CCIE #7146
> > NETCG Inc.
> > Cisco Premier Partner
> > www.netcginc.com
> > (415) 750-3800
> >
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