From: Donald B Johnson jr (dbjohnson@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Mon Oct 01 2001 - 21:31:08 GMT-3
I mean that is what I am waiting for some feedback from the test.
Please keep me in the loop Scott.
Thankx
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: "R. Scott King" <scking@cisco.com>
To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 1:48 PM
Subject: RE: New R&S Exam Tidbits
> It's strange to me that you are saying all of this and giving us a liberal
> dose of your opinion before anyone has even taken this test. It seems
that
> you are making conclusions without the benefit of data.
>
> I will be taking the new 1-day test on Wednesday, and I will be drawing
> conclusions about it then. I will be happy to share my experience with
the
> group after that, but not rant and rave about the changes before I know
what
> I'm talking about.
>
> As for troubleshooting; since they are going to give you a partially
> implemented network anyway (with terminal server and IP addressing already
> done), what's to say that they won't have some parts of it implemented
> incorrectly that you have to find and fix? I don't know that they will do
> this, but you don't know that they won't.
>
> Let's just wait and see before we fly off the handle, eh?
>
> Scott King
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> John Kaberna
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 2:14 PM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: New R&S Exam Tidbits
>
>
> IMO, this is going to lead to "lab braindumps" now that any monkey can see
> the entire test instead of earning each section. Since they only have a
few
> different versions of the test what would stop a training company from
> getting their hands on the 6 or 8 tests by having candidates memorize the
> exams? I think it would be very feasible and likely to happen.
>
> Also, no troubleshooting means we'll have a bunch of lab rats with no real
> experience. TS was the one section that seemed to test real experience.
> Their claim that TS is required throughout the exam now is a joke. What
> they are claiming is NO different from the current format. If you
configure
> something and it doesn't work that requires TS. How is that any different
> from the two day format? How are they going to test that by changing a
> config register a router that is reloaded ignores its config? How will
they
> test password recovery? I could go on and on. I think not having TS is a
> major problem.
>
> I think it's funny that they said "time is not your friend." I know I had
> tons of time during my test. Puhlease. Time has always been a factor in
> the lab. It's been that way for years. I'd like to see a copy of a 2-day
> test next to a 1-day test to see if they actually cover as many topics
aside
> from TS. I'm willing to bet anything that they don't. If they do then
> great. At least the core topics will be just as difficult although
without
> TS I really don't think it's the same test.
>
> Sorry to be so negative guys. But, Cisco has a wait list problem and this
> is their answer on how to solve it. Their goal is NOT to make the exam
> harder or keep the community as exclusive as it has been. I suppose it
will
> just take some time to adjust to the fact that it is changing for the
worst.
> The fact that they are considering having proctors give the exam via a
> webcam proves to me they are not dedicated to keeping the same quality.
>
> John Kaberna
> CCIE #7146
> NETCG Inc.
> Cisco Premier Partner
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>
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