From: routerjocky (elouie@xxxxxxxxx)
Date: Mon Oct 01 2001 - 18:09:52 GMT-3
> IMO, this is going to lead to "lab braindumps" now that any monkey can see
> the entire test instead of earning each section. Since they only have a
few
> different versions of the test what would stop a training company from
> getting their hands on the 6 or 8 tests by having candidates memorize the
> exams? I think it would be very feasible and likely to happen.
valid concern, but this exam is just a certification for "a certain level of
competancy", so if they can 'braindump' it, more power to them. Those folks
are easy to spot when they're being hired, though... just as there are
MCSE's who have never touched a server, there might be folks who can't even
login to a router using SSH (I'm one of those, btw), or who know how to
configure legacy DDR (because dialer profiles were req'd on the CCIE), or...
whatever.
And I do indeed raise my hand and glass to being "any monkey" ;-) I'm
nothing special...just an internetworking engineer that likes to steer
packets around. The bad news is that the braindumps for the lab are ALREADY
available - just not publicly dispersed. Trust me, lots of CCIE's
especially recently do not observe the NDA very strictly, and many of them
giving that info out underground and not publicizing it up here in public.
Networkers 2000 CCIE Power Session contributes to that in some way, too, so
I won't just blame the dishonorable.
>
> Also, no troubleshooting means we'll have a bunch of lab rats with no real
> experience. TS was the one section that seemed to test real experience.
> Their claim that TS is required throughout the exam now is a joke. What
> they are claiming is NO different from the current format. If you
configure
> something and it doesn't work that requires TS. How is that any different
> from the two day format? How are they going to test that by changing a
> config register a router that is reloaded ignores its config? How will
they
> test password recovery? I could go on and on. I think not having TS is a
> major problem.
I can envision how troubleshooting could be incorporated into the the
one-day format - you'd just have less time to deal with the problems that
are injected into the scenario/startup. Maybe you'd start with routers that
are partially configured with different passwords, wrong DLCI's, bad SPIDs,
convert legacy DDR to dialer profile...and I'm not even thinking "out of the
box" yet, because I already get that when I buy used equipment, or go to a
customer site where they say "I don't know the password, can you break into
it for us?" It's sometimes harder to start with a partial config than
starting with a clean slate
>
> I think it's funny that they said "time is not your friend." I know I had
> tons of time during my test. Puhlease. Time has always been a factor in
> the lab. It's been that way for years. I'd like to see a copy of a 2-day
> test next to a 1-day test to see if they actually cover as many topics
aside
> from TS. I'm willing to bet anything that they don't. If they do then
> great. At least the core topics will be just as difficult although
without
> TS I really don't think it's the same test.
I'm willing to bet that they do cover as many topics, and I'll find out,
since I've taken the two-day before (okay, that was 5 years ago, but have a
memory like an elephant!!!). I'm sure some of our other list members will
have that same experience. I can see the booby traps that they'd put into
the exam, all repeatable, where if you can't get past it, you're 'stuck'
just like in the two-day lab if you get 'stuck' configuring the WAN
backbone, for example.
>
> Sorry to be so negative guys. But, Cisco has a wait list problem and this
> is their answer on how to solve it. Their goal is NOT to make the exam
> harder or keep the community as exclusive as it has been. I suppose it
will
> just take some time to adjust to the fact that it is changing for the
worst.
> The fact that they are considering having proctors give the exam via a
> webcam proves to me they are not dedicated to keeping the same quality.
Why apologize for coming from your truth? You have your CCIE, and all of us
5-digit CCIE's will just study the braindumps, get to just the topics
required for the CCIE, and get our number and work alongside you more
qualified guys ;-) You have an opportunity to take a one-day lab in some
other CCIE discipline, and perhaps after experiencing it you'll decide that
it's just as harrowing as the two-day lab...blow your steam...though I'm not
sure why you're so emotional about it. Many if not most of us still DO work
to get the complete knowledge and then prove it via the certification
process, and some others do the certification to get the piece of paper.
Everyone's mileage will vary.
-e-
striving to be the first 5-digit CCIE with the assistance of braindumps and
cheat sheets
I read over this twice to make sure that I'm coming from the right place
>
> John Kaberna
> CCIE #7146
> NETCG Inc.
> Cisco Premier Partner
> www.netcginc.com
> (415) 750-3800
>
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