From: R. Scott King (scking@xxxxxxxxx)
Date: Mon Aug 27 2001 - 13:41:31 GMT-3
I am looking forward to the day when we can all be judged on our merits and
all the irrelevant stuff (race, gender, cola preference...) is ignored.
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From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
McClendon Susan Contr AEDC/ACS
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 7:33 AM
To: 'ccielab@groupstudy.com'
Subject: Re: CCIE 8063
-----Original Message-----
From: McClendon Susan Contr AEDC/ACS
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 8:32 AM
To: 'Sakir Balikcioglu'
Subject: RE: Re: CCIE 8063
This thread is relevant because there ARE women who read this list, and need
the support. Most of the women I've known in IT stop trying at some point
well beneath their potential because of the snotty attitude from a small
percentage of hostile and very vocal men - the higher these women went the
more undeserved hostililty they received. Most men don't have the snotty
attitude, but the ones that do are loud enough to ruin it for everyone.
Norma's story is wonderful. Just congratulate her, and be a good sport.
- susan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sakir Balikcioglu [mailto:sbalikcioglu@lucent.com]
> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 11:08 AM
> To: Robert Thompson; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: OT:Re: CCIE 8063
>
>
> Let's stop being sexist. I think these kind of comments have
> no place in
> the study group. They are disruptive and irrelevant.
> Norma's success has nothing to do with any of this.
>
> Chuck.
>
>
> At 12:53 AM 8/27/01 +1000, Robert Thompson wrote:
> >Well, I'm impressed. Very well done.
> >
> >Once Upon a Time (i.e. a fairy story, but a true one) -
> >I had my management choose a girl over a guy in selecting a
> contractor
> >and she later found out and asked me why (the guy was better
> on paper)
> >and I told her "well, I told my management that girls have
> to be twice as
> >smart as guys in this job and we'd be stupid ourselves not
> to pick the
> >smartest employee available". Close to the truth, and
> management bought
> >that argument and signed her up (I had phrased it a little
> bit differently).
> >Norma adds another example to this ^_^
> >
> >Anyone who complains there aren't enough high level IT staff
> is obviously
> >just looking in the wrong place to find the talent.
> >
> >Now what has to be done is get all those other secretaries out there
> >into action, although I suspect not all will get their CCIEs
> as quickly.
> >
> >And if we do get the secretaries in this will coincidentally
> help fix one
> >of my
> >long standing gripes about the IT industry - not enough [cute] girls.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >----------
> >Robert Thompson,
> >CCIE #4500, MCSE, NNCSE, CCSE
> >Business Integration Solutions
> >50 Franklin St, Melbourne 3000
> >Australia
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >At 02:14 AM 23/08/2001 -0500, Norma Schutt wrote:
> > >Ok, my turn, my turn.
> > >
> > >I passed today in San Jose on my second attempt. It's
> strange. I keep
> > >thinking I'm going to wake up in the morning and find out
> this is only a
> > >dream. I think I'm the first female CCIE employed by
> Schlumberger. I'll
> > >find out later when I get back to work.
> > >
> > >There were three people from Day 1 who made it to Day 2 in
> my group. The
> > >weird thing is that all three of us got our numbers today.
> That was really
> > >cool.
> > >
> > >The only advice I can give to people is to reread your
> foundational books
> > >such as Doyle and Halabi. I got so much more out of
> reading those again
> > >the second and third time through. I continued to learn
> tidbits even
> > >though I thought I already knew most of it. And
> practice, practice,
> > >practice. Be able to configure this stuff in your sleep
> because you won't
> > >have time to figure it out then, yada yada yada. You've
> heard this all
> > >before.
> > >
> > >Don't ever think you can't do this. It can be done. Two
> years and nine
> > >months ago I quit my secretarial job because the pay
> sucked ($27k/yr) to
> > >change careers and go into the IT field. See, I'd heard
> about this thing
> > >called MCSE that paid about 10 grand more a year as a
> starting salary than
> > >I was currently making. So, I quit my job and went
> through the Microsoft
> > >classes and got my first job on a help desk in May, 1999.
> In August three
> > >months later I got transferred from that help desk
> position over to the
> > >Cisco-outsourced helpdesk called the "TAC". But, oh gosh,
> I gotta learn
> > >about something called a router that kinda looked like a
> VCR. Whatever,
> > >the pay was better and I didn't have to listen to anyone
> patter on about
> > >not being able to get their mouse to work. But, none of
> my new co-workers
> > >cared about my shiny new MCSE, all they talked about was
> this thing called
> > >CCIE, which was something you got after you got your CCNA.
> Little did I
> > >know at the time where that fork in the road would lead
> and that I'd
> > >finally found my niche.
> > >
> > >Well it was two years ago this month that I first learned
> what a router was
> > >and how they made a network go. And look at me now. Crying on the
> > >proctor's shoulder this afternoon sobbing "I've got my
> life back!" I
> > >couldn't stop laughing and crying simultaneously. I'm
> sure they thought I
> > >was nuts, but, hey, I didn't care. The stress had me a
> bit crazy here at
> > >the end, anyway. And if anyone doesn't like it, I'm a
> CCIE and can kick
> > >your butt... :-)
> > >
> > >So, that's about it.
> > >
> > >Norma
> > >--------------------------------------------------------------
> > >Schlumberger/Network Solutions
> > >Norma Schutt, CCIE 8063
> > >WAN Element Manager - Cisco
> > >5599 San Felipe #400
> > >Houston, TX 77056
> > >Office: (713) 513-3253
> > >Fax: (713) 513-3150
> > >Helpdesk 24x7: (713) 513-3180
> > >------------------------------------------------------------
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> Regards,
>
> (Chuck) Balikcioglu, Sakir
> Network Systems Consultant
> CCNP+ATM, MCSE
> Lucent Networkcare, Falls Church Office
> Phone: 703 226 4606
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> Email: sbalikcioglu@lucent.com
> Epage: page_chuck_balik@ins.com
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