From: sanjay (ccienxtyear@xxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Sat Aug 18 2001 - 22:50:32 GMT-3
I agree with this. Gotta know the end systems OS as well. Helps with
troubleshooting.
-sanjay
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Church" <cchurch@optonline.net>
To: "R. Scott King" <scking@cisco.com>; "CCIE Lab (E-mail)"
<ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: 1000 CcIE's every 6 month's
> Don't be too sure. Recently my company chose not to hire a CCIE, even
> though he was willing to work for under $100K. Why? No real experiance
> with the two NOS's we deal with - NetWare and NT. He came from an ISP and
> knew BGP inside and out. The CCIE is great, no doubt about it, but if you
> know nothing about the end systems that your well designed network is
> interconnecting, you're at a big disadvantage. Just my .02.
>
> Chuck
> CCNP, CCDP, MCNE, MCSE
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "R. Scott King" <scking@cisco.com>
> To: "Groupstudy" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 12:43 PM
> Subject: RE: 1000 CcIE's every 6 month's
>
>
> > One thought--if you and a CCIE are competing for a job, who do you think
> is
> > going to get it? You are only fooling yourself if you think this
> > certification isn't worth pursuing. It's kind of like having a
> degree--some
> > jobs won't hire you without it, no matter how much experience you have.
> > Just go look through Monster.com and see how many internetworking
> positions
> > require the applicant to have a CCIE and think about whether you'd even
> > qualify. If you think the CCIE is worthless, stop pursuing it and get
off
> > this list.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > P.S.: The whole reason the CCIE is going to one day instead of two is
so
> > they can get rid of the preliminary "basics" (like assigning names and
IPs
> > to routers) and get straight into the meat of the test (like BGP
> > confederations and regexp's). Think about it.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> > Peter Rybaczyk
> > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 9:56 AM
> > To: Don Dettmore
> > Cc: CCIE Lab List
> > Subject: Re: 1000 CcIE's every 6 month's
> >
> >
> > I was just recently talking to a friend of mine who is an MCSE. He
> informed
> > me
> > that worldwide, there are appx. 400,000 (yes, four hundred thousand)
> MCSEs.
> > There is a recertification requirement by the end of this year (believe
it
> > has
> > soemthing to do with XP, but don't quote me on it) that's expected to
drop
> > this
> > number by about 30%, i.e., to about 280,000. According to latest posting
> on
> > Cisco's website, there are about 6,400 active CCIEs worldwide. So the
> > current
> > ratio between CCIEs and MCSEs is about 1.6 to 100. I think we have a
long
> > way to
> > go before the number of CCIEs reaches that of MCSEs and the
certification
> is
> > completely degraded, if it ever will.
> >
> > On Money Line last night, there was a reference that only about 5
percent
> of
> > world population has access to the Internet. Just think about the
> > implications
> > of this for those with CCIE skills, especially if you are on the path of
> > constantly upgrading your skills. If you expect to see an instant return
> on
> > your
> > investment in becoming a CCIE, maybe you got it for a wrong reason.
Also,
> if
> > you
> > expect to stop growing after you got it, then I do believe that your
CCIE
> > will
> > become worthless. But if you view your certification as recognition of
> your
> > current skill set and a launching platform for developing new skills,
then
> I
> > don't believe that a CCIE will ever become degraded, come one-day or
> > half-day
> > exams in the future.
> >
> > I think that the attitude of current CCIEs and especially of wanting to
> rest
> > on
> > your laurals or being concerned about how many other people are joing
the
> > club
> > is what can create the perception that CCIE certification is getting
> > worthless.
> > Folks, the word travels fast. If you start talking to your friends about
> how
> > worthless the certification is becoming without giving them the other
side
> > of
> > the story of the sweat, expense and sacrifice that goes into getting it,
> > then I
> > believe that it's the greatest damage that will be done to the
> > certification.
> >
> > For me, the numbers speak for themselves. I for one, don't plan on
> stopping
> > with
> > just getting R/S cert. There is Security, there is Dial ISP, there are
> > others
> > and I am sure that Cisco is open to developing new tracks as technology
> > evolves
> > and is also committed to maintaining the integrity of the certifications
> > regardless of the exam format.
> >
> > And BTW, those kind of postings are not a motivation killer for me to
> > proceed
> > with my preparation and striving to get the number. I think they are
more
> a
> > result of ignorance than anything else. Flames welcome.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Peter
> > 9 days till 1st attempt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Don Dettmore wrote:
> >
> > > You are absolutely right - it's quickly becoming another MCSE/CNE. I
> > can't
> > > wait for the 'CCIE for Dummies' book.
> > >
> > > Seriously, though, at this level, your experience/ability gets you the
> > job -
> > > the CCIE a minor peice of validation. (and getting more and more
minor
> > > every day)
> > >
> > > Don
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Steve Barone" <steve@chetona.com>
> > > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 9:30 AM
> > > Subject: 1000 CcIE's every 6 month's
> > >
> > > > The run from CCIE #6,800 to CCIE #8,000 was from February
> > > > to August 2001. Who say's this certification has and will
> > > > maintain it's value with CCIE #10,000 less than 1 year away.
> > > > Probably faster with the number of one day lab candidate's
> > > > increasing the number's.
> > > >
> > > > Steve
> > > > **Please read:http://www.groupstudy.com/list/posting.html
> > > **Please read:http://www.groupstudy.com/list/posting.html
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