From: R. Scott King (scking@xxxxxxxxx)
Date: Tue Aug 14 2001 - 14:25:07 GMT-3
You'd be an indentured servant--kind of like working for Lucent.
Scott King
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From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
Scott Morris
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 6:22 AM
To: 'Jay Hennigan'; jonatale@earthlink.net
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Taking the number with you...
Auctioning myself on EBay... Now THERE'S something I hadn't thought of!!!!
I wonder if EBay would allow it. ;)
Would I then be considered a slave? Or a prostitute?
Scott
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From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
Jay Hennigan
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 1:08 AM
To: jonatale@earthlink.net
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Taking the number with you...
On Mon, 13 Aug 2001 jonatale@earthlink.net wrote:
> what if you pay for the ccie yourself?
It doesn't matter.
I'm not a lawyer, and I don't work for Cisco so take this as my
interpretation
of what's out there. It's worth at least twice what you paid for it. ;-)
There are two issues here that are both pretty clear from reading Cisco's
website.
ISSUE 1: Who is entitled to be recognized as being a CCIE?
The CCIE certification and number are granted to and remain with the
individual who qualifies, regardless of his or her employment status.
In fact, the employer is _prohibited_ from claiming any CCIE qualifications
for the organization itself. They can state that they have CCIEs on staff,
but not that the organization is itself CCIE.
You earned it, it's yours, regardless of who paid for the lab fees or
training. You may have some contractural obligations if you agreed to
remain with a company for a specific period in exchange for training,
but that's a separate issue between you and your employer and doesn't
affect your CCIE status.
ISSUE 2: How are CCIE requirements counted for Cisco Partners?
There are benefits in terms of deeper discounts granted by Cisco for
reseller Partners based on the Partner level; Premier, Silver, Gold.
One of the requirements for the higher levels (and thus the deeper
discounts) is employing certain numbers of CCIEs. This has traditionally
been one of the more difficult obstacles to the higher levels. Even
despite the high salaries commanded by CCIEs, the additional discount
points granted to a high-volume Partner are such that it is often
cheaper for a Partner to hire a CCIE away from a competitor than to
"grow" one in-house through training, etc. "Raiding" a competing
reseller has the added advantage of not only increasing your CCIE
count but decreasing that of your competition.
In order to prevent CCIEs from auctioning themselves on EBay, etc.,
and to minimize the raiding, Cisco structured rules rewarding its
Partners for growing new CCIEs in-house and also discouraging them
from hiring CCIEs away from other Partners. I believe that the basics
are that if you hire a CCIE from another reseller, you can't "count"
that CCIE for six months after date of hire, and if you lose a CCIE
you have a year to find a replacement.
The whole of issue 2 is of strategic and bargaining interest to CCIEs
in terms of their employment options, particularly if they are presently
employed by a Cisco Partner. The individual still is entitled to the
number and the certification regardless of employment.
Strategically, if you're employed by a Cisco reseller, the best time
to negotiate a better salary is immediately before you pass the Lab.
Once you're qualified as a CCIE and employed by a Cisco reseller, you
are less valuable to other resellers as they can't "count" you until
you've been on their payroll for six months and less valuable to your
present employer as you can still be counted for a year after you leave.
This whole discussion really belongs on the jobs list.
-- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Administration - jay@west.net NetLojix Communications, Inc. - http://www.netlojix.com/ WestNet: Connecting you to the planet. 805 884-6323 **Please read:http://www.groupstudy.com/list/posting.html **Please read:http://www.groupstudy.com/list/posting.html **Please read:http://www.groupstudy.com/list/posting.html
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