From: Joe Freeman (joe.freeman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Fri Aug 10 2001 - 18:14:16 GMT-3
Actually, from what I've read, it sounds as if the lab scenerios for the 1 day
lab will have errors in them that you will have to troubleshoot as you implemen
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the lab network.
Maybe it's just me, but in my experience, the very vast majority of
troubleshooting occurs during implementation of a new network. In a well
implemented, and well documented network, most issues are major enough to find
easily. The ones that are harder to detect are the same ones you could typicall
y
see in any implementation, especially if you didn't do the design work yourself
but were relying on someone else's prior work.
Many of the CCIE's I know have told me that the key to the troubleshooting bloc
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in the 2 day lab is to have good documentation. With good documentation, they
say, the troubleshooting part is easy enough.
As I learned in the USMC, one of the key points of troubleshooting any system i
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to completely understand the rules of that system. If you stop and think about
it, that rule applies to troubleshooting everything (cars, networks, human
bodies, etc).
I guess I wrote all this to say that while you are entitled to your opinion, it
is my opinion you are probably wrong with your conclusion that we "will have a
bunch of labs rats that can configure most anything but don't know how to fix
it."
As far as you questioning the other poster about even taking the exam, I've
taken it both in Raliegh and in San Jose, and I can attest to the fact that wha
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time you get out depends on what time you started, how long a lunch you were
given, and how you are doing. I know on day 2, if you get into troubleshooting
needing only a few points to pass, the proctors will only put a few problems
into your network. It doesn't matter how many points you score, as long as you
get the magic 80.
Joe Freeman
John Kaberna wrote:
> Wow I'm not sure how you came up with your numbers. Did you even take the
> lab? It doesn't end at 4:30 in San Jose that's for sure. Troubleshooting
> is only 2 hours? I know I didn't get a 2.5 hour lunch. When I said 16
> hours it wasn't meant that is how long you are in the actual lab with the
> equipment. I merely meant that is the length of time for the entire exam.
>
> Day 1 morning 9-12 = 3 hours
> Day 1 afternoon 12:30-5 = 4.5 hours
> Total Day 1 = 7.5 hours
>
> Day 2 morning 9-12:30 = 3.5 hours
> Day 2 afternoon 2-5 = 3 hours
> Total Day 2 = 6.5 hours
>
> Total for current format = 14 hours
>
> New format
>
> Day 1 morning 9-12 = 3 hours
> Day 1 afternoon 12:30-6:30 = 6 hours
>
> Day 2 ......(oops they forgot to include a 2nd day in the new format)
>
> Total for Day 1 = 9 hours
>
> I suppose if you think that TS is not important and that a CCIE shouldn't
> have to know how to do troubleshooting the lab length is almost the same.
> IMHO, TS is the only part that really tests real world experience. So,
> pretty soon we will have a bunch of labs rats that can configure most
> anything but don't know how to fix it.
>
> John Kaberna
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