From: John Kaberna (jkaberna@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Fri May 18 2001 - 00:14:11 GMT-3
I think the vast majority of us do care if people violate the NDA, cheat, or
pass an easy exam. The only thing that makes it special is its difficulty
and the fact that its somewhat exclusive (although that is changing
drastically). If that wasn't the case I don't think most of us would be
here. The things I mentioned are making the lab easier. I don't think it
will ever be easy per se, but I do think that its probably a lot easier than
it was say 2 years ago. The only reason I think that is the case is because
there was very little preparation materials 2 years ago not to mention
places like groupstudy where you can come and find a ton of test questions.
Now if someone goes through all of the avenues I mentioned they will have a
good portion of the lab. That to me is really a shame.
John Kaberna
CCIE #7146
NETCG Inc
www.netcginc.com
(415) 750-3800
Fax: 750-3900
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roman Rodichev" <rodic000@hotmail.com>
To: <jkaberna@netcginc.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Cc: <stasbihsazan@comtech.com.au>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: Let me TELL you what's in the LAB!!!
>
> Well, I agree with you. I agree that introductions are extra (even though
I
> introduced myself) and OT shouldn't be posted (even though I posted a
> couple).
>
> But here is what I think...
>
> i do not care if someone violates nda
> i do not care if someone cheats to get his ccie
> i do not care if someone things that ccie will become easy, because it
won't
>
> .... I'm doing ccie for my myself, for my own good, actually I just want
to
> get the jacket. My other leather jacket is getting kind of old ...
>
> one ccie is not the highest peak you can get to. Buddy of mine has 3 CCIEs
> (R&S, ISP DIAL, DESIGN) and he is going for C&S in August. Now that's what
I
> call hardcore...
>
>
> >From: "John Kaberna" <jkaberna@netcginc.com>
> >To: "Roman Rodichev" <rodic000@hotmail.com>, <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >CC: <stasbihsazan@comtech.com.au>
> >Subject: Re: Let me TELL you what's in the LAB!!!
> >Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 19:45:45 -0700
> >
> >Personally I thought what he said was right on. A little blunt but I
think
> >that's what's needed. In my opinion, the CCIE lab is somewhat tainted
> >anyways. Almost every question posted on this list is an NDA violation.
> >With the combination of this NDA violating list, practice labs, and
courses
> >such as ECP a person can go from CCNA to CCIE in a few months with no
real
> >experience. I've seen a few of those people recently and it makes me
ill.
> >I didn't attend a single course, buy a home lab, or have my company shell
> >out 10s of thousand of training dollars. Even so, my lab was fairly
> >elementary. I scored in the mid 90s and was home by 4pm on day 2. So,
> >although I feel qualified I really don't think the lab was that hard.
The
> >shear increase in numbers should tell people something. Hopefully Cisco
> >makes the lab hard again and starts busting people for these NDA
> >violations.
> >Until then I guess we will have to deal with the people that slip through
> >the cracks. Fortunately a guy with a few months of experience isn't
going
> >to beat me out for any jobs but nonetheless they make devalue the
> >certification. And for the flamers, no I don't think it will ever be
like
> >a
> >Microsoft exam. So you can keep those comments in your shorts.
> >
> >As far as complaining about how people subject their emails, I get over
100
> >messages a day and I really don't care for the introductions and lab
swaps
> >either. I think someone should introduce themselves when they have
> >something to contribute or ask. That way its still only one message.
The
> >fact that there are so many messages and people not following the
> >guidelines
> >makes this list almost unmanageable. But, I guess some people have time
to
> >read through 300 messages a day. Maybe those are the same lab rats that
> >can
> >pass the exam with little to no real experience.
> >
> >I do have to say your sniveling comment about how many times he failed is
> >uncalled for. How many times did you fail?
> >
> >John Kaberna
> >CCIE #7146
> >NETCG Inc
> >www.netcginc.com
> >(415) 750-3800
> >Fax: 750-3900
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Roman Rodichev" <rodic000@hotmail.com>
> >To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 7:05 PM
> >Subject: Re: Let me TELL you what's in the LAB!!!
> >
> >
> > > Since you are pissed off so much, I can't hold myself from asking this
> > > question... So how many times did you fail your lab? 5? 6?
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: stasbihsazan@comtech.com.au
> > > >Reply-To: stasbihsazan@comtech.com.au
> > > >To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > >Subject: Let me TELL you what's in the LAB!!!
> > > >Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 12:05:01 +1030
> > > >
> > > >People,
> > > >
> > > >1. ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING in Cisco IOS 12.0.+ will be in the LAB and
> >is
> >a
> > > >fair
> > > >question.
> > > >Please stop asking what's in what's out as people can't break the NDA
> >for
> > > >the
> > > >fun of it
> > > >
> > > >2. Do not introduce yourselves.... NO ONE IS INTERESTED
> > > >
> > > >3. If you really have the urge to introduce yourself and put your
> > > >insignificant
> > > >qualifications and 4 letter acronyms or if you would like
> > > >to swap labs and other stuff like that use "OT" as the subject of
your
> > > >e-mail
> > > >
> > > >Finally this is not a chat club.. if you want to chat to a dude,
e-mail
> >him
> > > >directly
> > > >
> > > >My mail box is full of none-ccie core related cr*p and I have had
> >enough
> >of
> > > >it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >In case you are wondering why I didn't use "OT" myself for this
> >e-mail...
> > > >Because I wanted you to read it.
> > > >
> > > >Thanks,
> > > >Saeed
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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