From: John Kaberna (jkaberna@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Thu May 17 2001 - 23:45:45 GMT-3
Personally I thought what he said was right on. A little blunt but I think
that's what's needed. In my opinion, the CCIE lab is somewhat tainted
anyways. Almost every question posted on this list is an NDA violation.
With the combination of this NDA violating list, practice labs, and courses
such as ECP a person can go from CCNA to CCIE in a few months with no real
experience. I've seen a few of those people recently and it makes me ill.
I didn't attend a single course, buy a home lab, or have my company shell
out 10s of thousand of training dollars. Even so, my lab was fairly
elementary. I scored in the mid 90s and was home by 4pm on day 2. So,
although I feel qualified I really don't think the lab was that hard. The
shear increase in numbers should tell people something. Hopefully Cisco
makes the lab hard again and starts busting people for these NDA violations.
Until then I guess we will have to deal with the people that slip through
the cracks. Fortunately a guy with a few months of experience isn't going
to beat me out for any jobs but nonetheless they make devalue the
certification. And for the flamers, no I don't think it will ever be like a
Microsoft exam. So you can keep those comments in your shorts.
As far as complaining about how people subject their emails, I get over 100
messages a day and I really don't care for the introductions and lab swaps
either. I think someone should introduce themselves when they have
something to contribute or ask. That way its still only one message. The
fact that there are so many messages and people not following the guidelines
makes this list almost unmanageable. But, I guess some people have time to
read through 300 messages a day. Maybe those are the same lab rats that can
pass the exam with little to no real experience.
I do have to say your sniveling comment about how many times he failed is
uncalled for. How many times did you fail?
John Kaberna
CCIE #7146
NETCG Inc
www.netcginc.com
(415) 750-3800
Fax: 750-3900
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roman Rodichev" <rodic000@hotmail.com>
To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: Let me TELL you what's in the LAB!!!
> Since you are pissed off so much, I can't hold myself from asking this
> question... So how many times did you fail your lab? 5? 6?
>
>
> >From: stasbihsazan@comtech.com.au
> >Reply-To: stasbihsazan@comtech.com.au
> >To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >Subject: Let me TELL you what's in the LAB!!!
> >Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 12:05:01 +1030
> >
> >People,
> >
> >1. ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING in Cisco IOS 12.0.+ will be in the LAB and is
a
> >fair
> >question.
> >Please stop asking what's in what's out as people can't break the NDA for
> >the
> >fun of it
> >
> >2. Do not introduce yourselves.... NO ONE IS INTERESTED
> >
> >3. If you really have the urge to introduce yourself and put your
> >insignificant
> >qualifications and 4 letter acronyms or if you would like
> >to swap labs and other stuff like that use "OT" as the subject of your
> >e-mail
> >
> >Finally this is not a chat club.. if you want to chat to a dude, e-mail
him
> >directly
> >
> >My mail box is full of none-ccie core related cr*p and I have had enough
of
> >it.
> >
> >
> >In case you are wondering why I didn't use "OT" myself for this e-mail...
> >Because I wanted you to read it.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Saeed
> >
> >
> >
> >
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